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Paul Herms

Post by tjé » 30 Oct 2005 20:55

:roll: Bonjour,

I´m looking for some information about the career of the ostubaf Paul Herms.


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Post by Georges JEROME » 31 Oct 2005 19:37

Paul HERMS
29.09.03
SS 129 135
Pg 5 274 317

sturmbannführer der Waffen SS (aktiv) 17.8.1940

42 Kdr II/ss inf rgt 7 SS geb div Nord
43 - 44 Kdr Gren. rgt der SS 30 (gal. n°1) 14 gal. SS freiw. Inf Division


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Post by Phil Nix » 08 Nov 2005 12:32

Obersturmbannführer Paul Herms 20.4.1943 Beim III SS Germania 1938 Kdr 31 Gren Reg in 14 Waffen Grenadier Div 1944 IK 1 KIA 23.9.44
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Paul HERMS

Post by Melnyk » 29 Jan 2006 21:32

Hi

interested why you want to know. any way he was a soldier (as opposed to a policeman that many of the Germans assigned to the 14 Wfn.Gren.Div were. His details are
SS-Obersturmbannführer Paul Herms: born 29 September, 1903, SS-Nr. 129,135 / Party Nr. 5,274,317. Holder of EK 1 Klasse, saw active service with the SS-V.T.-Division (mot) (with both the 'Germania' and 'Der Führer' regiments) and then from February 1942 until April 1943 with the 6th SS-Gebrigsdivision "Nord". For further details of his career see his Personal-Akte, A3343-SSO-091a.
20th February, 1944, Paul Herms arrived to take up command of 1st Regiment (29th) of 14 Wfn Gren. He died at the battle of Bordy in July 1944.

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Post by mulisch » 31 Jan 2006 12:02

Hello tjé,

26-02-1935 SS-Untersturmführer
15-09-1935 SS-Obersturmführer
13-09-1936 SS-Hauptsturmführer

The info below is from the Gräbernachweis des Volksbundes Deutsche Kriegsgräberfürsorge e.V.

Nachname: Herms
Vorname: Paul
Dienstgrad: Obersturmführer
Geburtsdatum: 29.09.1903
Geburtsort: Borns
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 22.07.1944
Todesort: Kniace ostw. Lemberg


The strange thing is that according to the info of Phil his rank was SS-Obersturmbannführer and according to the info from the "Gräbernachweis des Volksbundes Deutsche Kriegsgräberfürsorge e.V." he died as a SS-Obersturmführer. This info could of course be wrong ???

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Herms

Post by Melnyk » 31 Jan 2006 14:57

Hi Mulish

Herms held the rank of SS-Obersturmbannführer. I have is photo in uniform with that rank.

His exact date of death is unknown. The 14 Gal Div was devastated during the period 14 - 22 July 1944 at Brody. He was posted as missing (presumed dead) after the HQ of WGR 31 came under direct and heavy attack. Vast majority were killed. As with some 7,000 other members of the Gal Div who went missing at this time, his date of death is quoted as 22 July 1944 (that is the last day of the battle when the remnants broke through - obviously he was not amongst them).

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Post by mulisch » 31 Jan 2006 15:49

Hello Mike,

First i want to thank you for information about Paul Herms, as you can see a mistake about the rank is easely made when one of the sources is not correct !!!! :)

According to your information he was devastated during the period 14 - 22 July 1944 at Brody, after the HQ of WGR 29 came under direct and heavy attack. About this i have several questions:

1. Are there any knowen survivers of HQ of WGR 29 after the attack ???

2. According to the information of the "Gräbernachweis des Volksbundes Deutsche Kriegsgräberfürsorge e.V.", he was reported missing at " Kniace ostw. Lemberg/Ukraine" is this in the neighbourhood (sorry for the spelling) of Brody ???

3. Is knowen wich Russian unit was attacking HQ of WGR 29 and if they made any prisoners ???

4. Does anybody has his Personal-Akte, A3343-SSO-091a and is willing to print it here ???

Kind regards,

Mulisch

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Re: Paul Herms

Post by Mikedc » 05 Mar 2014 23:50

Hello guys,
I don't wanna spoil anything but in this thread I see three units Paul Herms commanded within the 14. Waffen-Division and I wanna find out which unit is the correct one.

Kdr Gren. rgt der SS 30 (gal. n°1) 14 gal. SS freiw. Inf Division
Kdr 31 Gren Reg in 14 Waffen Grenadier Div 1944
20th February, 1944, Paul Herms arrived to take up command of 1st Regiment (29th) of 14 Wfn Gren.
He was posted as missing (presumed dead) after the HQ of WGR 31 came under direct and heavy attack.


So did he command the 29th Regiment, the 30th Regiment or the 31st Regiment??

Greetings, Mike

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Re: Paul Herms

Post by Melnyk » 06 Mar 2014 08:28

Hi

Herms commanded WGR 31 at Brody. There is no doubt about that at all. My latest research suggests he was killed on 17 July 1944. I will post details about this later

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Re: Paul Herms

Post by smetanin albert » 15 Sep 2019 17:33

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Re: Paul Herms

Post by charli peng » 16 Sep 2019 10:11

Hello,
Herms, Paul was from 6.4.-12.4.1943 i.V. Kdr.Geb.JR.7 .
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Re: Paul Herms

Post by FransN » 11 Nov 2019 15:39

Hello,

Thanks Charly for your previous post. Any idea who replaced Herms in those six days?

I need some help with regard to who actually commanded SS-Geb. Jg. Rgt. 6 in the period from roughly late winter 1943 till autumn 1943.
Ostubaf., resp. Staf. Berthold Maack is listed as regimental CO on 25.03.1943 (primary source). He is listed as its CO from 02.1943 - 08.1944 by Vopersal (BA-MA Freiburg file N756/147a) and from 11.03.1943 till 12.1944, resp. 09.1944 by Yerger ("Waffen-SS commanders" & "German Cross in Gold" series). Both are secondary sources.

However, both Schreiber (Div. history "Kampf unter dem Nordlicht", which I consider as a primary source) and Trang ("Dictionnaire...part 1"; secondary source) list Maack as regimental CO only from autumn 1943, resp. 11.1943. From 04.1943 till autumn, resp. 11.1943 they list Ostubaf. Paul Herms as its CO. Also BA-MA Freiburg file RS 3-6/20 mentions Herms as a regimental CO (although without saying 6 or 7) in 05.1943.

In the SSO files (from BA Berlin-Lichterfelde = ex-Berlin Document Center) of Hermann Brandt (CO I./Rgt. 6) and Erwin Albrecht (CO III./Rgt. 6) I found a reporting on them from mid 07.1943 and from early 08.1943 signed by Ostubaf. Herms as "stellvertretender Kdr." of Rgt. 6. What did Maack do in the meantime (leave? illness? course?). Who replaced Herms in the meantime as CO of II./Rgt. 7?

Unfortunately I do not have the SSO files of Berthold Maack or Paul Herms. Can anyone help me with info from those SSO files? Especially
- the upper-right corner of the Stammkarte (column "Dienststellung"),
- if present, the sheet called "Dienstlaufbahn" and
- if present, any mutation order in 1943?
I would be very happy with such info!

Best regards,
Frans

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Re: Paul Herms

Post by Georges JEROME » 11 Nov 2019 16:35

Berthold Maack
4.5.1942 - 10.3.1943 Kdr IV/Geb.Jäger-Rgt. 6
13.12.1942 - 10.3.1943 stellvertretender Führer des SS-Gebirgsjäger-Regiment 6 (add duties)
10.3.1943 beauftragt mit der F. des SS-Gebirgsjäger-Regiments 6 "Reinhard Heydrich"
23.10.1943 Kdr. of the renummered SS-Gebirgsjäger-Regiment 11 "Reinhard Heydrich"
25.8.1944 14. Divisionführer-Lehrgang in Hirschberg
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Re: Paul Herms

Post by charli peng » 11 Nov 2019 22:24

Moin Moin,
Hstuf. Artur Messner was the CO.of the II./7. -5.4.1943.
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Re: Paul Herms

Post by charli peng » 11 Nov 2019 22:44

Moin,
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