Info Amtschefs in Amtsgruppe C WVHA

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Info Amtschefs in Amtsgruppe C WVHA

Post by Boby » 14 Nov 2005 19:02

I search info of: (especially dates of when served in the Offices)

Amt C/I SS-Sturmbannführer Sesemann
Amt C/II SS-Sturmbannführer Kiefer
Amt C/III SS-Sturmbannführer Wirtz
Amt C/IV SS-Sturmbannführer Blaschek (S)
Amt C/V SS-Sturmbannführer Wilhelm Lenzer
Amt C/VI SS-Standartenführer Franz Eirenschmalz

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Post by Georges JEROME » 14 Nov 2005 23:47

Franz Eirenschmalz Chef des Amt C VI 1.2.42 - mai 1945

Karl Sesemann Chef des Amt C I 3.42 - 7.42

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Post by Boby » 15 Nov 2005 09:04

Thanks very much Jerome

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Post by Phil Nix » 15 Nov 2005 12:32

First holders of these posts from 1.3.42
Amt CI Gustav Rall succ by Sesemann 1944
Amt CII Max Kiefer
Amt CIII Hans Floto suc by Rudolf Schminke
Amt CIV Dr Wilhelm Schneider suc by Dtr Oswin Flir
Amt CV Wilhelm Noell suc by Wilhelm Lenzer
Amt CVI Franz Eirenschmalz to Autumn 1944 when this office became Amt für Betreibswirtschaft holder unknown
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Post by Boby » 15 Nov 2005 12:36

Thanks Phil!

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Post by Mikedc » 17 Nov 2005 20:24

Phil wrote:
First holders of these posts from 1.3.42
Amt CI Gustav Rall succ by Sesemann 1944

But JG wrote:
Karl Sesemann Chef des Amt C I 3.42 - 7.42

So if we follow Phil Sesemann couldn't be chief in 1942 because he became chief in 1944.
Which info is the correct one overhere???

And Eirenschmalz didn't hold his post until May 1945, very interesting fact.
I assume this new Amt was also part of the SS-WVHA???


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Post by HM » 17 Nov 2005 20:44

Phil,

I have this info from Walter Naasner SS-Wirtschaft und SS-Verwaltung

SS-WVHA from BArch NS3/555 fol.8 as of 03.03.1942

Amt C I (Allgemeine Baufragen) SS-Stbf.Sesemann
Amt C II (Sonderbauaufgaben) SS-Stbf. Kiefer
Amt C III (Technische Fachgebiete) SS-Stbf. Wirtz
Amt IV (Künstlerische Fachgebiete) SS-Stbf(F) Blaschek
Amt C V (Zentrale Bauinspektion) SS-Stbf. Lenzer
Amt C VI (Bauunterhaltung und Betriebswirtschaft) SS-Staf. Eirenschmalz

SS-Hstf. Sesemann was 1941 Chef der Hauptabteilung II A(Waffen-SS) im Hauptamt
Haushalt und Bauten(Barch NS 3/954, fol.186

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Post by HM » 17 Nov 2005 20:46

Small correction,

SS-Sturmbannführer Blaschek was Sonderführer(S) not Fachführer

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Post by Ludger » 17 Nov 2005 22:47

Phil Nix wrote:First holders of these posts from 1.3.42
Amt CI Gustav Rall succ by Sesemann 1944
Amt CII Max Kiefer
Amt CIII Hans Floto suc by Rudolf Schminke
Amt CIV Dr Wilhelm Schneider suc by Dtr Oswin Flir
Amt CV Wilhelm Noell suc by Wilhelm Lenzer
Amt CVI Franz Eirenschmalz to Autumn 1944 when this office became Amt für Betreibswirtschaft holder unknown
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CIII: SS-Stubaf. Rudolf Schmincke was succeeded by SS-Stubaf. Wirtz
CIV: Dr. Ing. Oswin Flir was succeeded by SS-Stubaf. Blaschke
CV: must be Werner Noell

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Post by Mikedc » 17 Nov 2005 22:53

It's getting complexer with the minute but also very interesting.

Thanks Ludger, for the new info.

And about Floto.
I have Werner Floto being Chef Amt III, not Hans Floto. This name is also posted in another thread that
deals with this subject(can be found by using the search-button on this forum).

Hans Floto is in my files connected to the SS-Reiterstandarten.


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Post by Ludger » 18 Nov 2005 09:50

Mikedc wrote:It's getting complexer with the minute but also very interesting.

Thanks Ludger, for the new info.

And about Floto.
I have Werner Floto being Chef Amt III, not Hans Floto. This name is also posted in another thread that
deals with this subject(can be found by using the search-button on this forum).

Hans Floto is in my files connected to the SS-Reiterstandarten.


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Werner Floto is correct.

DAL 01.10.1944 (Nr. 2964):
SS-Stubaf. (Allg.-SS); SS-Stubaf. d.R. (W-SS)

DoB: 30.03.1900
SS-Nr.: 470 564
NSDAP-Nr.: none
01.04.1943 SS-Stubaf. (Allg.-SS)

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Post by Phil Nix » 18 Nov 2005 18:16

Phil Nix wrote:
HM wrote:Phil,

I have this info from Walter Naasner SS-Wirtschaft und SS-Verwaltung

SS-WVHA from BArch NS3/555 fol.8 as of 03.03.1942

Amt C I (Allgemeine Baufragen) SS-Stbf.Sesemann
Amt C II (Sonderbauaufgaben) SS-Stbf. Kiefer
Amt C III (Technische Fachgebiete) SS-Stbf. Wirtz
Amt IV (Künstlerische Fachgebiete) SS-Stbf(F) Blaschek
Amt C V (Zentrale Bauinspektion) SS-Stbf. Lenzer
Amt C VI (Bauunterhaltung und Betriebswirtschaft) SS-Staf. Eirenschmalz

SS-Hstf. Sesemann was 1941 Chef der Hauptabteilung II A(Waffen-SS) im Hauptamt
Haushalt und Bauten(Barch NS 3/954, fol.186


HM.

My data comes from "Himmlers Graue Eminez" by Peter Ferdinad Koch
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Post by Mikedc » 19 Nov 2005 11:52

Okay, I tried to make something out of it and if I'm correct, Amtsgruppe C from SS-WVHA
should have looked like this:


Amtsgruppe C: Construction Division.
SS-Gruppenführer Dr. Ing. Hans Kammler(chief, SS-nr. 11113.619).
SS-Obersturmbannführer Prof. Dr. Hans Schleif(deputy-chief).
SS-Sturmbannführer Busching(deputy).

Amt C I: General Construction Department.
SS-Obersturmbannführer Gustav Rall(chief).
SS-Sturmbannführer Karl Sesemann(chief).
SS-Obersturmbannführer Prof. Dr. Hans Schleif(chief, SS-nr. 264.124).

Amt C II: Special Construction Department.
SS-Sturmbannführer Max Kiefer(chief).

Amt C III: Technical Specialists Department.
SS-Sturmbannführer Werner Floto(chief, SS-nr. 470.564).
SS-Sturmbannführer Rudolf Schmincke(chief).
SS-Sturmbannführer Wirtz(chief).

Amt C IV: Artistic Department.
SS-Sturmbannführer Dr. Wilhelm Schneider(chief).
SS-Sturmbannführer Dr. Ing. Oswin Flir(chief).
SS-Sturmbannführer(Sonderführer)Blaschke(chief).

Amt C V: Central Construction Inspectorate.
SS-Obersturmbannführer Werner Noell(chief).
SS-Sturmbannführer Wilhelm Lenzer(chief).

Amt C VI: Construction Maintenance and Internal Operations.
SS-Standartenführer Franz Eirenschmalz(chief, SS-nr. 10.051).

If someone doesn't agree with this, just let us know.

Now I'm looking for the SS-numbers from Karl Sesemann, Gustav Rall, Wilhelm Schneider, Oswin
Flir, Werner Noell, Wilhelm Lenzer, Rudolf Schmincke, Max Kiefer, Blaschke and Wirtz.
I'm also looking for the Christian names from Blaschke and Wirtz.
About Busching there was already made an inquiry and Phil didn't find anything, at least not about a Busching
who was attached to the WVHA.

And if somebody has other info about these men, like their DoB/birthplace, ranks, party-number, etc., hope
you're willing to share it with us.

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Post by Phil Nix » 20 Nov 2005 11:42

No trace of Blaschke Dr Heinrich Wirtz was not in the SS
From 1938 DAL;
Sesemann 4174788 143242 born 28.12.09
Rall 1097127 50499 born 2.9.83
Schneider 3470810 220276 born 19.9.02
Flir No Party nr 223006 born 4.3.07
Kiefer 4157069 273744 born 15.9.89
From 1944 DAL
Noell 1542432 463095 born 28.9.06 Obsbnf 1.4.43
Lenzer No Party Nr 471922 born 24.12.1897Obsbf 20.4.44
Schmincke Party nr ? 422238 born 26.4.1897 Sbf 9.11.42 Killed 27.3.1944
The last man only appears in W/ss DAL so there is no Party number listed.
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Post by Mikedc » 20 Nov 2005 17:07

Great looking info info, as usual much appreciated.

But why would they call Wirtz a SS-Stubaf if he was not in the SS???

And about Blaschke, well, seems like this will stay a mystery.



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