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RSD Close Protection Officers

Post by Max Williams » 01 Dec 2005 13:34

Has anyone any information on the close protection bodyguards from the RSD who were appointed to protect high profile Third Reich personalities? I am aware of Hitler's personal security and Himmler's bodyguard, Josef Kiermaier, but details of other characters are sadly lacking. Here is a photo of what appears to be a RSD officer attending Göring. He is the only SS officer present during a visit by the Reichsmarschall to a Luftwaffe unit. Any information would be welcome.
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Post by JoeW » 01 Dec 2005 23:35

Max, here is a link on some discussion of Heinecke, who was a personal guard of Göring.
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Post by Derek » 02 Dec 2005 01:32

Max,
I have collected a number of images of Göring's RSD detail. Here is one from November 1938. According to Peter Hoffmann in his excellent book on Hitler's personal security Göring's detachment was Bureau 2 of the RSD.
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Post by Derek » 02 Dec 2005 01:42

Here, from the same event, is Göring's wife with her vigilant RSD guards.
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Post by Max Williams » 02 Dec 2005 10:57

Thank you gentlemen. Does anyone have any info on the protection of other high profile figures please?
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Post by jim toncar » 02 Dec 2005 15:34

Mr. Chapman,
Do you have any idea as to what cufftitle is being worn in your posted photos ?
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Post by Derek » 02 Dec 2005 17:41

Dear Mr. Toncar,
As you can see from this enlargement they wear the Gothic RFSS title.
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Post by Max Williams » 02 Dec 2005 18:45

Excellent photos. Thanks for posting them.
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Post by JoeW » 02 Dec 2005 19:09

It would seem that all members of the RSD would then wear the RFSS cufftitle. Examining the DALs shows that the RSD staff grade officers were appointed to the Staff RFSS. I suppose this was to demonstrate Himmler's appointment in 1935 to Chef d. RSD.

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Post by jim toncar » 02 Dec 2005 19:17

Mr. Chapman
It would appear that RSD bodyguards where made up of personal posted from the three Hauptamts, that is , SS-Hauptamt, RFSS and perhaps the SD-hauptamt ? Would this be
correct ? I was quite surprised to see the RFSS cufftitle, I would have assumed perhaps Gestapo or Krimminal police as bodyguards ? Quite interesting .

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Post by Max Williams » 02 Dec 2005 19:54

What's with all this MISTER business?

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Post by JoeW » 03 Dec 2005 14:15

Jim, how can you make that conclusion? Do you see those cuff titles in the photos? And the detective ranks and posting to the Hauptamt would not be mutually exclusive. Göring's personal bodyguard Heinecke had police background (Kripo rank), was a member of the SD (wore the SD Raute) and was posted to the RFSS and wore the cuff title. All the RSD had police background.

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Post by Derek » 03 Dec 2005 15:44

Here is an entry from the SS-Verordnungsblatt from December 24, 1934. Note Berndt, his entry would appear to indicate that the SS referred to the bureaux as Kommandos, in this case for Goebbels (RSD Bureau 5).
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Post by jim toncar » 03 Dec 2005 16:44

Joe , please see "Mollo"vol.5( SD und Sich) page 15 for picture with title "Members of Hitlers Escort commander drawn from his personal Bodyguard Regiment and the SS Main Office." showing quite clearly the "SS- Haumptamt cufftitle in wear by a Scharfuhrer. If I am not mistaken there is aslo a picture in one of the Hoffmann books titled something like " With Hitler in Poland " that aslo shows a SS -Hauptamt cufftile in wear by one of his Escort Kommandos. Mollo gives a explanation that the SS_Begleit.Ko. was drawn from the Main Offices and the Bodyguard Regiment. It now appears that without a doubt all three offices where used to make up this Kommando .
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Post by Luft300 » 03 Dec 2005 19:15

I don't know if this is relevant to this discussion but there is a photo being used in Angolia's CLOTH INSIGNIA OF THE SS showing a young SS-Unterscharführer helping Sepp Dietrich and Max Wünsche sign in a book. I believe the young SS-Unterscharführer is wearing an SS-Reichsführung cuffband. I'm not at home so I cannot just reach around an grab my copy of the book. Wasn't the SS-Reichsführung the predecessor of the SS-Hauptamt? Was this young SS-Unterscharführer a member of the RSD?

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