Max de Crinis
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9.11.43 SS standartenführer
1944 RSHA
he was a leading member of the german psychatric medecine.
psychiatrist at the Un of Graz in Austria, he flew in 1933 after the Dollfuss putsch. Member of the NS party since 1931.
He joined SS in 1936.
Prior the war he work at the psychiatric clinic of Koln.
On 21 1939 he replaced Dr Bonhoeffer as psychiatric director of the Clinic "La charité" of Berlin.
He worked with RuSHA
on 1941 he became Med director of Amt W in Min. fur Erziehung und Wissenschaft
He was opponent to "psychotherapy" in the Psychiatry (Freund tendancies of the modern psychiatry).
but the odd part of his bio was he was involved in the Venlo incident with Schellenberg (a close friend) in 1939.
What were his connections with SD ?
Georges
Pg 688 247
SS 276 171
29.5.89
oberstarzt der R
9.11.43 SS standartenführer
1944 RSHA
he was a leading member of the german psychatric medecine.
psychiatrist at the Un of Graz in Austria, he flew in 1933 after the Dollfuss putsch. Member of the NS party since 1931.
He joined SS in 1936.
Prior the war he work at the psychiatric clinic of Koln.
On 21 1939 he replaced Dr Bonhoeffer as psychiatric director of the Clinic "La charité" of Berlin.
He worked with RuSHA
on 1941 he became Med director of Amt W in Min. fur Erziehung und Wissenschaft
He was opponent to "psychotherapy" in the Psychiatry (Freund tendancies of the modern psychiatry).
but the odd part of his bio was he was involved in the Venlo incident with Schellenberg (a close friend) in 1939.
What were his connections with SD ?
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de Crinis was not a close friend of Schellenberg, but he was a close friend of the Heydrichs with whom he frequently went riding in Berlin. No doubt he met Schellenberg through his personal connections with Heydrich. He masqueraded as one of the German army officers who met Best and Stevens prior to the Venlo incident.
His undoubted role in the Euthanasia Programme needs further investigation.
He committed suicide with his wife at the end of the war.
Max.
His undoubted role in the Euthanasia Programme needs further investigation.
He committed suicide with his wife at the end of the war.
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Wonderful pic, cher Georges!
Max de Crinis
01.11.1938 - 02.05.1945 Ordinarius für Psychiatrie und Neurologie an der Friedrich-Wilhelms-Universität Berlin
00.10.1944 - 02.05.1945 als Oberstarzt d. R. Beratender Psychiater bei der Heeressanitätsinspektion (succeeding Oberstarzt Prof. Dr. Otto Wuth)
Hitler presented in occasion of a dinner in the Reichskanzlei after the Venlo-incident the EK I to Schellenberg, Max de Crinis and Bernhard Christensen.
See also:
Georg Berger: “Die Beratenden Psychiater des deutschen Heers 1939 bis 1945“.
Peter Lang GmbH Europäischer Verlag der Wissenschaften, Frankfurt am Main/Berlin/Bern/New York/Paris/Wien, 1998
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Max de Crinis
01.11.1938 - 02.05.1945 Ordinarius für Psychiatrie und Neurologie an der Friedrich-Wilhelms-Universität Berlin
00.10.1944 - 02.05.1945 als Oberstarzt d. R. Beratender Psychiater bei der Heeressanitätsinspektion (succeeding Oberstarzt Prof. Dr. Otto Wuth)
Hitler presented in occasion of a dinner in the Reichskanzlei after the Venlo-incident the EK I to Schellenberg, Max de Crinis and Bernhard Christensen.
See also:
Georg Berger: “Die Beratenden Psychiater des deutschen Heers 1939 bis 1945“.
Peter Lang GmbH Europäischer Verlag der Wissenschaften, Frankfurt am Main/Berlin/Bern/New York/Paris/Wien, 1998
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I believe these were the first EK1 personal presentations by Hitler of the war.Dieter Zinke wrote: Hitler presented in occasion of a dinner in the Reichskanzlei after the Venlo-incident the EK I to Schellenberg, Max de Crinis and Bernhard Christensen.
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See also "Reinhard Heydrich - The Biography" which covers this event and includes photos of de Crinis.
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The internet provides the following information & links:Max Williams wrote:Does anyone have more information about his suicide pact with his wife please?
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•1945 Im Auftrag von Walter Schellenberg Beurteilung des Gesundheitszustand Hitlers wegen Verdacht auf Morbus Parkinson auf Grundlage von Filmen. Beteiligung an Bestrebungen, Himmler als Nachfolger Hitlers einzusetzen und separate Friedensverhandlungen mit den Westmächten zu führen.
Suizid mit Zyankali gemeinsam mit seiner Ehefrau. Sterbeurkunde im Standesamt Stahnsdorf Nr. 179/1946 vom 28.05.1946.
Quellen:
http://www.langenacht-suedwestkirchhof.de/Vorschau 2004/de Crinis Beschreibung.htm
http://www.charite.de/neurologie/geschi ... rinis.html
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Re: Max de Crinis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_de_Crinis Wiki says that he killed his family with potassium cyanide and himself with cyanide tablet.
Did he have children that he killed like Goebbels did ?
Did he have children that he killed like Goebbels did ?
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De Crinis only had one child and no, he didn't kill him with poison. Xandi de Crinis survived and died in 1963. Letters from de Crinis' friend Helmut G. mention that de Crinis and his wife agreed to kill themselves if the Reich fell, but nothing is said about wanting to kill their son as well.DavidFrankenberg wrote: ↑03 Nov 2020, 23:00https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_de_Crinis Wiki says that he killed his family with potassium cyanide and himself with cyanide tablet.
Did he have children that he killed like Goebbels did ?
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In the letters of Helmut G., a young friend of de Crinis, it is mentioned that he and his wife agreed to commit suicide long before the end of the war. Helmut's father, Professor Alfred G., was a close friend of the de Crinis, and warned his son against investigating the details of their deaths. Later, Helmut wrote to his friend, W. Kruger, that his father, before the onset of the Red Army, offered de Crinis to leave Berlin, but he refused.Max Williams wrote: ↑15 Jan 2006, 18:42Does anyone have more information about his suicide pact with his wife please?
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Wow, never knew this before. Where did these letters come from may I ask?toyaroho wrote: ↑18 Apr 2023, 09:37In the letters of Helmut G., a young friend of de Crinis, it is mentioned that he and his wife agreed to commit suicide long before the end of the war. Helmut's father, Professor Alfred G., was a close friend of the de Crinis, and warned his son against investigating the details of their deaths. Later, Helmut wrote to his friend, W. Kruger, that his father, before the onset of the Red Army, offered de Crinis to leave Berlin, but he refused.Max Williams wrote: ↑15 Jan 2006, 18:42Does anyone have more information about his suicide pact with his wife please?
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https://www.cassiodor.com/Artikel/9596.html — private collection of documents. There is a photograph showing the excavated skull of de Crinis.1914FFabian wrote: ↑18 Apr 2023, 21:48Wow, never knew this before. Where did these letters come from may I ask?toyaroho wrote: ↑18 Apr 2023, 09:37In the letters of Helmut G., a young friend of de Crinis, it is mentioned that he and his wife agreed to commit suicide long before the end of the war. Helmut's father, Professor Alfred G., was a close friend of the de Crinis, and warned his son against investigating the details of their deaths. Later, Helmut wrote to his friend, W. Kruger, that his father, before the onset of the Red Army, offered de Crinis to leave Berlin, but he refused.Max Williams wrote: ↑15 Jan 2006, 18:42Does anyone have more information about his suicide pact with his wife please?
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By the way I see no reason to deny de Crinis as a friend of Schellenberg. He had testified for Schellenberg's divorce case as witness, and had arranged the medical treatment for one of his friends who was wounded in action. RH's adjutant Hans-Hendrik Neumann also addressed de Crinis very amiably as "Lieber Max". His friendship with Schellenberg was nothing surprising.
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Thank you so much!toyaroho wrote: ↑18 Apr 2023, 22:06https://www.cassiodor.com/Artikel/9596.html — private collection of documents. There is a photograph showing the excavated skull of de Crinis.1914FFabian wrote: ↑18 Apr 2023, 21:48Wow, never knew this before. Where did these letters come from may I ask?toyaroho wrote: ↑18 Apr 2023, 09:37In the letters of Helmut G., a young friend of de Crinis, it is mentioned that he and his wife agreed to commit suicide long before the end of the war. Helmut's father, Professor Alfred G., was a close friend of the de Crinis, and warned his son against investigating the details of their deaths. Later, Helmut wrote to his friend, W. Kruger, that his father, before the onset of the Red Army, offered de Crinis to leave Berlin, but he refused.Max Williams wrote: ↑15 Jan 2006, 18:42Does anyone have more information about his suicide pact with his wife please?
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May I know where this information about Neumann comes from? And I agree with you, de Crinis was clearly a good friend of Schellenberg, but I wonder how they met. Above, someone writes that de Crinis was also friends with Heydrich, but this is not obvious from Schellenberg's memoirs. Wikipedia says that de Crinis took care of both of them, but I can't find the source of the information.1914FFabian wrote: ↑18 Apr 2023, 22:12By the way I see no reason to deny de Crinis as a friend of Schellenberg. He had testified for Schellenberg's divorce case as witness, and had arranged the medical treatment for one of his friends who was wounded in action. RH's adjutant Hans-Hendrik Neumann also addressed de Crinis very amiably as "Lieber Max". His friendship with Schellenberg was nothing surprising.