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Hungarian Paratroopers

Post by gigoo » 09 May 2021 01:49

Picture of Dad posing with comrade in a city of Papa photography studio just before deployment to Eastern front. Late 1944 or early 1945...
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Re: Hungarian Paratroopers

Post by Peter89 » 09 May 2021 15:57

gigoo wrote:
09 May 2021 01:49
Picture of Dad posing with comrade in a city of Papa photography studio just before deployment to Eastern front. Late 1944 or early 1945...
Do you happen to have a unit for them?
“And while I am talking to you, mothers and fathers, I give you one more assurance. I have said this before, but I shall say it again, and again and again. Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars." - FDR, October 1940

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Re: Hungarian Paratroopers

Post by gigoo » 10 May 2021 01:03

Yes...Szent Laszlo...

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Re: Hungarian Paratroopers

Post by Peter89 » 10 May 2021 06:47

gigoo wrote:
10 May 2021 01:03
Yes...Szent Laszlo...
Do you have any additional info about his military service? Like, did he actually participate in parachute training - did he jump from planes?
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Re: Hungarian Paratroopers

Post by gigoo » 10 May 2021 14:44

I have a lot of info about his service. A lot to type...will start on that after work...in the meantime, photo of him as group leader in a Levente unit. This photo was found by Apu while viewing my friend's collection in friends home in the US...
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Re: Hungarian Paratroopers

Post by Peter89 » 10 May 2021 20:28

gigoo wrote:
10 May 2021 14:44
I have a lot of info about his service. A lot to type...will start on that after work...in the meantime, photo of him as group leader in a Levente unit. This photo was found by Apu while viewing my friend's collection in friends home in the US...
A group leader of a Levente unit? In what year exactly?

Because the Levente movement was kind of different in 3 different times. From 1921 (1924) until 1939, it was a collection of school dropouts, a forced and largely despised Hitlerjugend-like association. However, as any peace time institution dealing with teenagers, it produced at least a few good memories - all the same, it was nothing comparable with - for example - the non-militarist Boy Scout Movement. From 1939 until Szálasi took over in 1944, it was a mandatory pre-military service. Even less liked, but deemed necessary as well, and also included the Scout Movement. But when Szálasi took over, they actually threw teenagers to the front, even moving them towards Germany - they died by the thousands. Their leaders were convicted as war criminals after the war.
“And while I am talking to you, mothers and fathers, I give you one more assurance. I have said this before, but I shall say it again, and again and again. Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars." - FDR, October 1940

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Re: Hungarian Paratroopers

Post by Peter89 » 10 May 2021 20:35

Btw the blueish handwriting on the photo reads: Frontra indulásunk alkalmával sok szeretettel emlékül. Guszti

On the left side, a faint handwriting, possibly from the same person, reads: szüleimnek

The imprinted letters are:
FOTO
Kováts és tsa
1944
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Re: Hungarian Paratroopers

Post by gigoo » 11 May 2021 02:20

First of all, Thanks for the translation of the handwriting on back of photo...This benefits others who are interested in this thread. I speak Hungarian, but it didn't occur to me to translate...my oversight. Back to Apu, he joined the Levente sometime around 1940. He got into a group training to be airborne under army control. He completed jump training parachuting from aircraft and earned his jump wings. He never jumped into combat. By the time he was sent to the front it was a short truck ride away.

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Re: Hungarian Paratroopers

Post by Peter89 » 12 May 2021 09:57

gigoo wrote:
11 May 2021 02:20
First of all, Thanks for the translation of the handwriting on back of photo...This benefits others who are interested in this thread. I speak Hungarian, but it didn't occur to me to translate...my oversight. Back to Apu, he joined the Levente sometime around 1940. He got into a group training to be airborne under army control. He completed jump training parachuting from aircraft and earned his jump wings. He never jumped into combat. By the time he was sent to the front it was a short truck ride away.
Is there any chance that his name was Ábel Gusztáv?
“And while I am talking to you, mothers and fathers, I give you one more assurance. I have said this before, but I shall say it again, and again and again. Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars." - FDR, October 1940

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Re: Hungarian Paratroopers

Post by GregSingh » 12 May 2021 10:54

Is there any chance that his name was Ábel Gusztáv?
Természetesen. :D
https://felderitokblogja.blog.hu/2020/0 ... kirataiban
http://real.mtak.hu/98367/1/HT_2018-6_cikk-07.pdf
If we become increasingly humble about how little we know, we may be more eager to search.

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Re: Hungarian Paratroopers

Post by Peter89 » 12 May 2021 12:03

GregSingh wrote:
12 May 2021 10:54
Is there any chance that his name was Ábel Gusztáv?
Természetesen. :D
https://felderitokblogja.blog.hu/2020/0 ... kirataiban
http://real.mtak.hu/98367/1/HT_2018-6_cikk-07.pdf
The most comprehensive report about the paratroopers in the Szent László division can be read here: http://mek.niif.hu/16300/16381/16381.pdf
“And while I am talking to you, mothers and fathers, I give you one more assurance. I have said this before, but I shall say it again, and again and again. Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars." - FDR, October 1940

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Re: Hungarian Paratroopers

Post by Peter89 » 12 May 2021 12:11

gigoo wrote:
09 May 2021 01:49
Picture of Dad posing with comrade in a city of Papa photography studio just before deployment to Eastern front. Late 1944 or early 1945...
By the way, having one of the most detailed non-officier personal history from the Hungarian Royal Army in WW2, what exactly was your intent with this thread?
“And while I am talking to you, mothers and fathers, I give you one more assurance. I have said this before, but I shall say it again, and again and again. Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars." - FDR, October 1940

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Re: Hungarian Paratroopers

Post by gigoo » 12 May 2021 16:39

Yes, his name is Abel Gusztav. His name and history of his service live on through the efforts of my good friend David. My intent? I don't understand the question...

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Re: Hungarian Paratroopers

Post by Peter89 » 13 May 2021 08:36

gigoo wrote:
12 May 2021 16:39
Yes, his name is Abel Gusztav. His name and history of his service live on through the efforts of my good friend David. My intent? I don't understand the question...
I mean it is quite unlikely that we could come up with any new information, on the other hand, not telling us your father's name made it feel like we are looking for a lost relative's story. Or to be more accurate, a relative's lost story. So I don't understand, why did you start this thread? This photo circulates in multiple blogs and memoir-like sources. Would you like to talk about your father's service or...? I really don't get it.
“And while I am talking to you, mothers and fathers, I give you one more assurance. I have said this before, but I shall say it again, and again and again. Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars." - FDR, October 1940

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Re: Hungarian Paratroopers

Post by gigoo » 13 May 2021 18:06

Peter89 wrote:
13 May 2021 08:36
gigoo wrote:
12 May 2021 16:39
Yes, his name is Abel Gusztav. His name and history of his service live on through the efforts of my good friend David. My intent? I don't understand the question...
I mean it is quite unlikely that we could come up with any new information, on the other hand, not telling us your father's name made it feel like we are looking for a lost relative's story. Or to be more accurate, a relative's lost story. So I don't understand, why did you start this thread? This photo circulates in multiple blogs and memoir-like sources. Would you like to talk about your father's service or...? I really don't get it.

This whole forum is based largely on individuals and events that took place 70 years ago or more. If the counter on views is accurate, this thread has been viewed more than 1670 times, so that would indicate there is an interest in the subject matter. If you find the topic irrelevant or repetitive...feel free to scroll on

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