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Battle in Slovakia

Post by Benoit Douville » 09 Nov 2002 01:57

Let's talk about the different Battle that happened in Slovakia during World War II.
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Post by David Thompson » 09 Nov 2002 05:16

There was a "national uprising" of Slovakians against the Axis c. Sept-Oct 1944, which featured some nasty fighting at Banska Bystrica and elsewhere before the Germans crushed the revolt. Then the Red Army moved into the area and occupied it between Sept 1944 and 29 Apr 1945. There was some very hard fighting in the area, but I can't think of a truly major battle.

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Post by Victor » 09 Nov 2002 15:37

Actually those were not only Soviet troops in Slovakia, but also the two Romanian armies (1st and 4th).

Look here:
http://www.wwii.home.ro/west.htm

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Post by David Thompson » 09 Nov 2002 18:00

Cool site! Thanks, Victor.

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Post by Lupo Solitario » 09 Nov 2002 18:07

pure curiosity.....on the named webpage, there's a pic "rumenian in budapest" which shows a soldier employing what I identify with Beretta MAB 1938 SMG....I've never thought to see this weapon in rumenian hands Am I right?

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Post by Ogorek » 09 Nov 2002 19:06

There needs to be a lot of work to be done on Slovakia in 1944. The events there are almost forgotten.

There was a large, but relatively unknown battle at Dukla Pass... See : http://www.geocities.com/tarkulich/Dukla.html

A very recent, and very interesting publication by Jim Downs WW II - OSS TRAGEDY IN SLOVAKIA
See : http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... ce&s=books

Victor....

Indeed a very interesting site..... Like Lupo, I was surprised to see a 37mm Bofors AT gun, as used by the Poles in 1939.

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Post by mars » 10 Nov 2002 05:15

There is a very good book relate to this subject:
"Germany's first ally, Armed forces of the slovak state 1939-1945"
by Charles K. Kliment & Bretislav Nakladal

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Post by Victor » 10 Nov 2002 08:16

Lupo Solitario wrote:pure curiosity.....on the named webpage, there's a pic "rumenian in budapest" which shows a soldier employing what I identify with Beretta MAB 1938 SMG....I've never thought to see this weapon in rumenian hands Am I right?

Lupo


You are correct, it is a Beretta M1938 SMG. It was one of the SMGs used by the ROmanian army in WWII. I have more pictures with ROmanians with it.

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Post by Victor » 10 Nov 2002 11:40

Ogorek wrote: Victor....

Indeed a very interesting site..... Like Lupo, I was surprised to see a 37mm Bofors AT gun, as used by the Poles in 1939


The Bofors AT gun was purchased also by Finland, Den mark and Romania. It was not only Poland.

PS: the full address of the site (in case you have not figured it out) is
http://www.wwii.home.ro/

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Post by Toivo » 10 Nov 2002 12:29

Except couple fictional book all my knowledge about uprising in Slovakia 1944 comes from book by russian colonel Asmolov who was military advisor for slovakian partisans. He had great experiences from partisanwar in Ukraine.
Besides slovakian rebels (soldiers, partisans), there were several russian troops, also small squad of fighters on some rebel airfield "Tri Duby" (Three Oaks).
On Axis side there were three infantry divisions, three ss-kampfgruppen,
and many smaller troops. Don't know about romanians, but some units were there probably as well as hungarians.
About larger battles... those didn't matter in my opinion as much as facts that partisans were hurting axis in the rear. Also, those three divisions could have made some differense at front.

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Post by Csaba Becze » 10 Nov 2002 12:41

The La 5FN unit on Try Duby was a Czechoslovakian unit, not a Soviet (most of the pilots were Czechs, not Slovaks).

Hungarian units didn't fight against the Slovakian uprising.

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Post by Toivo » 10 Nov 2002 12:47

I didn't say they fought. You are right, they were not. But they were in Czechoslovakia ATLEAST before 1944 had engagements with partisans.
They surrendered their weapons without fight generally to be not sent to front. But they were not there to fight partisans. Atleast so I read from "Smrt' Sa Vola Engelchen" :roll: But I guess you know better, besides, about those soviet fighters - this book came out during time of Soviet Union so you can guess how much there was thruth:) But thats only available about this subject so far!
By the way, is this true most russians were special forces, like engineers, paratroopers and shaprshooters (those who were sent to Slovakia 1944)?.

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Post by Csaba Becze » 10 Nov 2002 12:57

The Hungarian Army had only one important engagement against the Slovaks: in March, 1939.

The Hungarian units fought against the Soviet and Rumanian troops in Slovakia in late war period.

The Soviets sent specialists to Slovakia. If I remember correctly, the 1st Czechoslovak Fighter Regiment's fitter crew was also Soviet (or at least the mechanic crew was shared Soviet:).

BTW, in Slovakia was not a numerous partisan movement before summer 1944.

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Post by Toivo » 10 Nov 2002 13:08

There wasn't large scale partisan movement but there was some. Some smaller groups of several dozens men.
Besides, killing Heydrich and punishment operations at village of Lidice(sp)?...

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Post by Csaba Becze » 10 Nov 2002 13:22

Well, it was a Czech paratrooper action, not a Slovak. Lidice was also a Czech village.

The Czech role was not equal with the Slovak role in WWII, and they are not the same nation.

BTW, Slovakia was the first agressor with Germany on 1st September, 1939 against Poland. The Czechs were evidently victims, the Slovaks not, but after the was Slovakia was also victorious (after the first world war also).

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