Non-Aryan Axis Nations?

[Anders Schmidt]

I have a question concerning the nations of Japan, Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria, Finland, and Croatia and their alliance with Germany during World War II.
Could someone please explain to me why Hitler aligned himself with the Romanians, Bulgarians, Hungarians, Croatians, Finns, and Japanese during WWII, even though they were Asian and Slavic races (two races that Hitler wanted to eventually wipe off the face of the Earth)?
It would seem easy to say that he did it to use non-Aryans to achieve his own ends or bide his time, but if he wanted to do that he could have just sent off the Poles/Jews/Gypsies off to war as well.

Forgive me if I may seem uniformed or confused, but I am only a casual history buff

Please help!

Drew
M/15/Atlanta, GA

[Scanderbeg]

First of all you made quite a few mistakes there: Finns are not slavic nor Asian, Rumanians aren't either.
The countries that you mentioned joined Hitler because they needed him and his power for themselves.
The reason why he didn't have Jews fight for him is that very logically at some point they would start fighting against him.

Excuse my English.

Regards,Besian.

[Davey Boy]

Slavs are part of the Aryan (Indo-European) linguistic and ethnic group, and closely related to the Iranians, Balts, Germans and Kelts.

The Croatians are a mix of Balkan Slavs and Iranians, and therefore, they are Aryans.

Don't try to make sense of Nazi propaganda, because it makes little sense. It's full of contradictions and pseudo-science. I'll give you an example:

The Nazis killed millions of Poles, Belorussians, Ukrainains and Russians, many of who were very tall and blond indeed. On the other hand, they enlisted such people as the Kalmucks (pure Mongols) in the Waffen SS.

And here's a well known Polish soccer player. Show me a high ranking Nazi party member who looks more Nordic or Aryan than him. Compared to this guy, Himmler is a Mongol.



Here's a Ukrainian...




And here's a German...

[Scanderbeg]

Slavs are part of the Aryan (Indo-European) linguistic and ethnic group, and closely related to the Iranians, Balts, Germans and Kelts.

As far as I know Aryans were one of the 5 main German tribes. Therefore Slavs absolutely cannot be aryan. You can say that they are white but not Aryans.

The Croatians are a mix of Balkan Slavs and Iranians, and therefore, they are Aryans.

It is true that Croatians (actually Croats) are Slavs. But Balkan Slavs?? What?!? Your "Balkan Slavs" came down into Balkans from the Carpates. Therefore they are the same as the slavs in Russia or anywhere else and have nothing to do with Iranians or Celts or anyone else.

The Nazis killed millions of Poles, Belorussians, Ukrainains and Russians, many of who were very tall and blond indeed. On the other hand, they enlisted such people as the Kalmucks (pure Mongols) in the Waffen SS.

Once again, all those nations that you mentioned are white but that doesn't mean anything at all. As Anders Schmidt said, Hitler hated Slavs. And lets not forget the fact that in war there are no fixed rules. Two countries might fight each other for sometime and the situation might change and they become allies.

And here's a well known Polish soccer player. Show me a high ranking Nazi party member who looks more Nordic or Aryan than him. Compared to this guy, Himmler is a Mongol.

Your Polish soccer player can be as white as flour but there is no way, as long as water is water and bread is bread, that a Polish person can be Nordic or Aryan. Nordic and Aryan are more of historical and regional terms.
When it comes to Himmler there is no doubt that he wasn't Hitler's perfect Aryan, as Hitler wasn't himself either. But Himmler, in comparison to a Polish person, fought for his own country and is as German as it gets. On the other hand, a Pol could have been as white as it gets but he could have never fought on Hitler's side.

Regards, Besian.

[Davey Boy]

By the way, the Bulgarians are only partly Slavic. They're mostly Turks (Bolgars from Central Asia) who adopted a Slavic language and customs. Turks are not Aryan (Indo-European).

[Marcus]

As I have stated many times before, don't discuss race here!

/Marcus

[Davey Boy]

Besian,

What planet are you from? You're very wrong. What I'm saying is common knowledge.


"Your Polish soccer player can be as white as flour but there is no way, as long as water is water and bread is bread, that a Polish person can be Nordic or Aryan. Nordic and Aryan are more of historical and regional terms."

Nordic has been used a racial term to describe tall, blond, long-headed people, and many Poles look like that. Aryan is a term to describe the Indo-European language group: this includes the Iranians, Balts, Slavs, Germans, Kelts, Romans and many others. Your lack of knowledge about the origins of Europeans is astounding. Please refer to this link to educate yourself (there are many more on the web):

http://www.armenianhighland.com/homelan ... le120.html


"When it comes to Himmler there is no doubt that he wasn't Hitler's perfect Aryan, as Hitler wasn't himself either. But Himmler, in comparison to a Polish person, fought for his own country and is as German as it gets. On the other hand, a Pol could have been as white as it gets but he could have never fought on Hitler's side."

There were 250,000 Poles in the Wehrmacht during WWII. They were forcibly Germanized by the Nazis (given German citizenship and told to speak German) and conscripted.

[Davey Boy]

As I have stated many times before, don't discuss race here!

/Marcus

How can you talk about Nazi ideology without touching on race and ethnicity?

[Marcus]

There is a big difference between "touching on race" and devoting entire messages to wether or not a certain Polish football player is "aryan" or not.
This rule can hardly be news to you...

/Marcus

[Davey Boy]

Marcus,

With all due respect, perhaps you should do some reading...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... 41-1971859

[Marcus]

With all due respect, perhaps you should do some reading...

There is no need to insult me! I'm very well aware of the race fantasies of the Third Reich, but I don't want discussions on race here. Such are the rules, and as I've said to the rightwingers and deniers in the past: accept the rules and how I enforce them, or don't post here.

/Marcus

[Davey Boy]

There is a big difference between "touching on race" and devoting entire messages to wether or not a certain Polish football player is "aryan" or not.
This rule can hardly be news to you...

/Marcus

I didn't devote a whole message to it. I was just making a point with those pictures. Some people still think that Slavs look like,oh I don't know, Martians or something, while Germans are all tall and blond. And they think that this is what WWII was fought over.

[Davey Boy]

With all due respect, perhaps you should do some reading...

There is no need to insult me! I'm very well aware of the race fantasies of the Third Reich, but I don't want discussions on race here. Such are the rules, and as I've said to the rightwingers and deniers in the past: accept the rules and how I enforce them, or don't post here.

/Marcus

Ok, sorry about that.

I do, however, think that it's going to be very difficult to draw a line on this racial thing. I mean, if you say we can't discuss race, then how can we discuss the core policies of the Third Reich?

[Marcus]

I do, however, think that it's going to be very difficult to draw a line on this racial thing. I mean, if you say we can't discuss race, then how can we discuss the core policies of the Third Reich?

I see no big problems with discussing the Third Reich without discussing for example if Croatian are slavs or not, and anyway most of those discussions turn bad rather quickly (just have a look at all the Germans vs Poles discussions that I had to close at the old forum).

/Marcus

[Scanderbeg]

I apologize for braking the rule . I am very new to the forum, this is my first day. I didn't know that.

General... if what i said to you, for some reason sounds insulting, i do apologize since that was not my intention.
thank you,
Besian