Non-Aryan Axis Nations?

Davey Boy · Post by **Davey Boy** » 07 Apr 2002 10:08

Besian,

I'm not insulted. Just amazed.

Karl · Post by **Karl** » 07 Apr 2002 10:36

Getting yourself into hot water again, Herr ‘Anders’?

Tsk tsk.

You seem to be as obsessed with Race as Nazi-era racists.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 07 Apr 2002 11:29

Tou could have posted a picture of Oliver Kahn instead of Jens Jeremies...

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 07 Apr 2002 11:33

Anders Schmidt, Romanians are not Slavs, but Latins.
Anyway, some of the people here put too much importance on race. Much more than I believe the people 60 years ago put...

Davey Boy · Post by **Davey Boy** » 07 Apr 2002 11:42

Karl wrote:Getting yourself into hot water again, Herr ‘Anders’?

Tsk tsk.

You seem to be as obsessed with Race as Nazi-era racists.

You don't like me, do you? Oh well.

Yes, it's an area I'm very interested in. I started looking into it after noticing the contradictions in Nazi racial policy. I then read about all sorts related stuff, like physical anthropology, genetics and the origins of Europeans. It's a legitimate area of study and very fascinating. You seem to think that the mere mention of race or physical anthropology is racist. That's not true. It's a great pity that this topic has been hijacked by right-wing nutters, because it's now difficult to discuss it openly without paranoid people like yourself making all sorts of accusations.

Best regards,

David

IAR80 · Post by **IAR80** » 07 Apr 2002 11:57

I think race was the last thing Hitler had in mind when offering those countries to join the Axis.
Romania had oil and plenty of troops.
Hungary had few but well trained troops and also some synthetic fibre refineries and such.
Finns also had a good strategic position and well trained troops.
As for the Japanese, they hardly had anything in common other than England and USA as enemies.
These nations, again, nations, were of good use to Hitler and could be influenced, not the case for Poland.
As for the racist babbling, I see them as a tool in Hitler's hands to please the masses, since the average citizen feels real good when you tell him he is an above-human. Simple as that: the germans needed something to cling on to, and when Hitler came and told them they were superhumans they bought it hook-line-sinker.
Now external relations are of a different matter.

Davey Boy · Post by **Davey Boy** » 07 Apr 2002 12:09

IAR80 wrote:I think race was the last thing Hitler had in mind when offering those countries to join the Axis.
Romania had oil and plenty of troops.
Hungary had few but well trained troops and also some synthetic fibre refineries and such.
Finns also had a good strategic position and well trained troops.
As for the Japanese, they hardly had anything in common other than England and USA as enemies.
These nations, again, nations, were of good use to Hitler and could be influenced, not the case for Poland.
As for the racist babbling, I see them as a tool in Hitler's hands to please the masses, since the average citizen feels real good when you tell him he is an above-human. Simple as that: the germans needed something to cling on to, and when Hitler came and told them they were superhumans they bought it hook-line-sinker.
Now external relations are of a different matter.

Good post. Although I would say some top Nazis, like Himmler, did fall for their own propaganda. Hence the efforts to Germanize Polish children who passed certain criteria. And don't no one say it didn't happen without giving some evidence. Because I've got plenty of evidence to show that it did happen.

Karl · Post by **Karl** » 07 Apr 2002 12:41

Oh come now, Kapitän. I am only teasing. Who is up tight now?

I think anthropology is fascinating too but only when it deals with the origins of culture and language. Personal I guess but admittedly, the topic leaves a bad taste in my mouth for some of the reasons you mentioned.

Your football pictures were predictable as well as amusing.

Farewell Poloski.

Davey Boy · Post by **Davey Boy** » 07 Apr 2002 12:56

Karl wrote:Oh come now, Kapitän. I am only teasing. Who is up tight now?

I think anthropology is fascinating too but only when it deals with the origins of culture and language. Personal I guess but admittedly, the topic leaves a bad taste in my mouth for some of the reasons you mentioned.

Your football pictures were predictable as well as amusing.

Farewell Poloski.

Just curious, why do you keep saying "farewell Poloski"? Is that an Austrian saying or something? In Polish it would be "farewell Polaku" (farewell Pole). At least say "farewell Polski", which sort of means "farewell Polish".

Karl · Post by **Karl** » 07 Apr 2002 13:51

Well, I made it up. It is slang and means ‘One from the East who generalises.’

Is your curiosity satisfied?

Anders Schmidt · Post by **Anders Schmidt** » 07 Apr 2002 15:07

My God, what have I started?

Well, I guess my questions are... somewhat answered... oh well, good thing I posted this same question on the FeldGrau.Com Forums as well... *goes off to check those*

Dan · Post by **Dan** » 07 Apr 2002 16:33

Anders Schmidt wrote:I have a question concerning the nations of Japan, Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria, Finland, and Croatia and their alliance with Germany during World War II.
Could someone please explain to me why Hitler aligned himself with the Romanians, Bulgarians, Hungarians, Croatians, Finns, and Japanese during WWII, even though they were Asian and Slavic races (two races that Hitler wanted to eventually wipe off the face of the Earth)?
It would seem easy to say that he did it to use non-Aryans to achieve his own ends or bide his time, but if he wanted to do that he could have just sent off the Poles/Jews/Gypsies off to war as well.

Forgive me if I may seem uniformed or confused, but I am only a casual history buff

Please help!

Drew
M/15/Atlanta, GA

Drew, with the Moderator's admonision in mind, allow me to point out that you left out Slovakia and Italy. In terms of LANGUAGE (let's forget race for now) your list would read:
Germany:Germanic
Japan: Mongolian
Finland: Turkic (Ural-Altaic)
Hungary:Turkic (Ural-Altaic)
Romainia: Latin
Italy:Latin
Bulgaria: Slavic
Croatia: Slavic
Slovakia:Slavic

Race is another matter, and hard to discuss rationally, especially as we are all of "one blood" and racial differences are often arbitrary.

Best
Dan

Tiwaz · Post by **Tiwaz** » 08 Apr 2002 06:14

Actually Finns and Hungarians are not Turkic or Ural-Altaic, or at least that is not term I learned to use from them.

Their languages belong to family known as Finno-Ugrians.

timoa · Post by **timoa** » 08 Apr 2002 14:05

http://www.geocities.com/ojoronen/FGPEOPLE.HTM

timo

Milan Szekelyhidi · Post by **Milan Szekelyhidi** » 08 Apr 2002 20:08

IAR80 wrote:Romania had oil and plenty of troops.
Hungary had few but well trained troops and also some synthetic fibre refineries and such.

And railway Shout-Germany to Romania, and strategic point to Balkan (1941 Yugoslavia), later defense of Austria.

Milan

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