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Postby Victor » 31 Mar 2007 12:49

YAN,
I think you can find the info regarding the type of traction by reading here: http://www.worldwar2.ro/organizare/?language=en&article=36
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Rumanian Canon de 155 mle

Postby Franzl Rider » 31 Mar 2007 13:01

Interesting data. Here are two pictures of the same Rumanian horse drawn artillery unit in Southern Russia 1942. The piece is (I think) a French 155mm Schneider. From ebay.

If someone has more info, please react.

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Rumanian 155mm canon

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Postby Gothard » 02 Apr 2007 10:52

It's a Schneider but not the 155. http://www.landships.freeservers.com/15 ... neider.htm " French Schneider Canon de 105 L, Modele 1913 TR "


it's a 105mm Putilov Schneider licensed production to Russia then bought some. http://www.landships.freeservers.com/10 ... around.htm

Only variation is the muzzle brake. Those were installed to reduce recoil by creating backpressure on the barrel.


http://perso.orange.fr/batteries.du.cot ... ze%207.jpg

23. Canon de 105 L mile 13 S: This gun was utilized by both sides in Spain. The Nationalists used it in the battles for the Guadarrama Mountains. See also French Ordnance Note 14.

http://www.atlanticwall.dk/gunlist.html

apparently the first russian tanks were armed with tis gun =)

viewtopic.php?p=1028629


according to this article the muzzle brake was added to the 1930 modification - 107mm m.1910/30 so you're probably looking at a captured gun.


"107mm m.1910 107mm Gun
This gun was developed (and initially produced) for the Russian Army at teh French "Schneider" plants. It proved to be quite effective and was extensively used during World War One and the Civil War. It was able to throw a 17,2kg shell out to 12,500m and was very good for long range attacks against enemy columns and assembly areas. It's relatively light weight also allowed it to be easily transported by six horses. Among the other good designs of Russian Army it was kept at service in RKKA after the Civil War.

107mm m.1910/30 107mm ER Gun
By 1930 it became clear that the old guns should be modernized. The project for improving 107mm gun was done by constructorial bureau of Artillery committee of Main Artillery Department. The following changes were provided: barrel length increased by 10 calibers, muzzle break installed, shell chamber increased, long-range shell run into production and elevation mechanism changed.

As a result, firing range was increased to 16,350m, but its main drawbacks (due the old-style carriage) remained: just 6 degrees of horizontal aiming angle and just 6kph towing speed.

This gun was used all throughout the war and wqas replaced with the BS-3 only in 1944.


107mm m.1940(M-60) 107mm ER Gun or 100mm AT Gun* * - at prewar antitank brigades


This gun was designed in 1938 in constructorial bureau of F.F.Petrov as a replacement for 107mm m.1910/30. Its firing range was increase to 18,130m, horizontal aiming angle to 60 degrees and towing spped up to 35kph. Numerous defects and faults delayed approving it to military service until 1940. As a result, only small quantity was produced by 1941.

Due the mistakenly overestimated quality and thickness of armor of the new german tanks, the head of Main Artillery Department G.I.Kulik demanded a cease to all production of "now ineffective" 45mm and 76mm guns and the dismantling of all equipment that couldn't be used to produce this new 107mm gun (its AP shell was able to penetrate 130mm from 500m). These heavy guns were planned to be used in antitank brigades as well as in divisional artillery regiments. But when the war began, it was soon discovered that M-60 is too heavy and had too slow a rate of fire (5-6spm) for divisional and AT roles, as well the newest german tanks had armor that could be easily penetrated by 76mm guns from all distances, while lighter tanks where vulnerable to 45mm AT guns or AT rifles. But the production of these 76mm and 45mm already was ceased and equipmment dismantled. Therefore, during the first hard months of war, the consequences of this error were fixed, 45mm and 76mm gun production renewed, but due to shortages of materials and equipment production of (in other conditions very good) the 107mm M-60 guns was cancelled."


http://www.tdg.nu/Russian%20Zone/Equipment.htm

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Re: Romania Artillery

Postby Sturm78 » 18 Apr 2013 15:09

Hi all,

76.2mm M1902/30 Soviet gun captured by Romanian tropos:

Image from historicalmedia website
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Re: Romania Artillery

Postby Jay Felsberg » 27 Apr 2013 04:29

I believe the Germans also transferred several types of captured French artillery...will check on types

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Re: Rumanian Canon de 155 mle

Postby ain92 » 30 Jun 2014 15:25

Here's a photo from Operation Barbarossa (made in Autumn 1941 by Italian photographer) that probably shows a Romanian (I identified country by the distinctive helmets of Dutch origin) horse team drawing a 100 mm Skoda howitzer M1934.
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Franzl Rider wrote:Interesting data. Here are two pictures of the same Rumanian horse drawn artillery unit in Southern Russia 1942. The piece is (I think) a French 155mm Schneider. From ebay.

If someone has more info, please react.

Franzl

Actually it is Skoda artillery piece, either a 100-mm howitzer M1930 or some sort of 75-mm gun M1928 (see viewtopic.php?t=180510).
Sturm78 wrote:Hi all,

76.2mm M1902/30 Soviet gun captured by Romanian tropos:

Image from historicalmedia website
Sturm78

This one is 75-mm Putilov-Schneider M1902/36 that were made from M1902 guns in Romania (note the form of the barrel).
With best regards, Ilya.

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Re: Romania Artillery

Postby Sturm78 » 11 Jul 2014 17:47

Ilya wrote
This one is 75-mm Putilov-Schneider M1902/36 that were made from M1902 guns in Romania (note the form of the barrel).


Thank you very much, Ilya.

Here, an image from EBay: 2cm Flak 30

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Re: Romania Artillery

Postby Sturm78 » 03 Sep 2014 08:36

Hi all,

An image from EBay. I am not sure if WW2 or WW1 era

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Re: Quantity of Romanian Artillery

Postby GoldenState » 24 Sep 2014 04:18

Can anyone shed some light on how many of the various guns the Romanians likely had by the beginning of the war?

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Re: Romania Artillery

Postby Sid Guttridge » 24 Sep 2014 10:51

The book Third Axis, Fourth Ally by Axworthy answers most questions on the Romanian armed forces in WWII. Highly recommended.

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Re: Romania Artillery

Postby GoldenState » 26 Sep 2014 02:08

Almost $100 used I see.

Frankly, I'm on a tight budget these days. Especially for things of purely impractical interest.

Anything you might be willing to share would be appreciated.

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Re: Romania Artillery

Postby Sid Guttridge » 26 Sep 2014 11:27

Much cheaper new, as it is still in print. Third Axis, Fourth Ally answers questions about the Romanian war effort that you would need a small library to cover for any other armed forces. Highly recommended.

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Re: Romania Artillery

Postby adolpheit » 26 Sep 2014 15:37

You can find everything about Romanian artillery in the book "Enciclopedia Artileriei Romane" available here: http://www.rft.forter.ro/_wsn/01_biblioteca/pdf/c-010.pdf.

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Re: Romania Artillery

Postby Carl Schwamberger » 30 Sep 2014 00:23

Damm. I did not know I could read Rumainian. At least a little bit. Thnks for the PDF it will be most valuable in time. Can you point to which chapter or section has the details of the procedures of the observation post & men of it, and how their work is transmitted to the aiming and firing of the guns?

Thanks again.


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