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Colonel General Janos Voros

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Post by amyoz » 26 Aug 2007, 09:55

I am interested in any information on Colonel General Janos Voros. I have found a little on various web sites through a general search, but nothing substantial. Who was he? Was he married? Did he have a family? What happened to him after the war? Was he really a bad man?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your time,
Amanda

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Post by AJK » 28 Aug 2007, 02:36

Hi Amanda,

Here is some information about his military career:

Colonel-General vitéz János nemes Vörös (23 Mar 1891 - 23 Jul 1968)
1 Nov 1936 - 1 Nov 1940: Chief of Section 7/ö., General Staff
1 Nov 1940 - 1 Aug 1941: C.O. 2. Motorized Brigade
(1 May 1941: Promoted to Major-General)
1 Aug 1941 - 1 Nov 1941: Chief of Staff, 1. Army
1 Nov 1941 - 1 Feb 1943: Chief of Operations, General Staff
(1 Feb 1943: Promoted to Lt.Field Marshal)
1 Feb 1943 - 1 Aug 1943: Chief of Main Supply Bureau, Ministry of Defense
(1 Aug 1943: Promoted to Colonel-General)
1 Nov 1943 - 19 Apr 1944: G.O.C. II. Army Corps
Apr 1944: Acting C-in-C, 2. Army
19 Apr 1944 - 16 Oct 1944: Chief of the General Staff
10 May 1944 - 16 Oct 1944: Commander-in-Chief of the Army
22 Dec 1944 - 15 Nov 1945: Minister of Defense, National Provisional Government
22 Dec 1944 - Sep 1946: Chief of the General Staff

In 1950, Vörös was brought before a military tribunal, accused of being an American spy. He was convicted, but was spared the death penalty, and was released from prison during the 1956 uprising in Hungary. Following the Soviet suppression of the uprising, Vörös surprisingly was allowed to remain at liberty, and he lived out the remainder of his life quietly, on the outskirts of Budapest.

Sources:
The Royal Hungarian Armed Forces 1919 - 1945, by Andris J. Kursietis
The Hungarian Army & Its Leadership in World War II, by Andris J. Kursietis


I hope this helps somewhat.

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AJK


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Post by amyoz » 28 Aug 2007, 06:10

Thank you so much. I don't suppose anyone knows something about his personal life? Marriage, divorce, kids etc?

Amanda

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Post by Csaba Becze » 28 Aug 2007, 12:37

Amanda,

He was a well-decorated officer from WW I (that's why he became 'vitéz'), Few details are inaccurate above (or erroneous) about his military career, but I guess, you are interested in his private life mostly. IIRC he had two brothers, was married and had at least a son (?)
I knew an old pilot, who was imprisoned with him by the Communists, he said, that Vörös was brutally humiliated by them in the prison. He lived and died at Balatonfüred till deceased, not near Budapest.

Where did u find, that he was a 'bad man'?

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Post by amyoz » 31 Aug 2007, 08:46

Thank you for your information.

I suppose that I just surmised that he was a "bad man" as I have seen a picture of him shaking hands with Hitler. My interest in Janos Voros is entirely personal. I have reason to believe that he was married twice, and that his first wife was named Gisella Buzas. This union produced three children, Laszlo (born 1938 my dad), Elisabeth (birthdate unknown, but had a son named Joseph), and Bob/Robert (?) who was intellectually impaired. Gisella remarried to a man named Buday Bela. My dad, Laszlo escaped hungary during the revolution and settled in Australia. My reason for this belief is that I have sighted documents of my fathers that have Janos Voros name on them. However, they are all in Hungarian, and I cannot read/speak Hungarian! I may be entirely wrong with this, but I would like to find out for sure. And no, I cannot ask my father, as he refuses to speak of his father and his life pre-Australia.

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Amanda

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Post by amyoz » 31 Aug 2007, 08:51

Is anyone able to translate this into English for me?

Vörös János, nemes (1891–1968)

Középnemesi családból származott. Apja Vörös Pál szőlőbirtokos volt. Hárman voltak testvérek.

A traiskircheni császári és királyi hadapródiskola elvégzése után, 1911. szeptember 1-jével avatták zászlóssá. Már főhadnagyként vett részt az első világháborúban. Helytállásáért magas kitüntetésekben (Vaskoronarend III. osztálya, III. osztályú katonai érdemkereszt, mindkettő a kardokkal) részesült, és ezért később felvételt nyert a Vitézi Rendbe is.

1920–1921 között a Hadiakadémia hallgatója, majd 1927-ig a szombathelyi 3. vegyes dandár beosztott vezérkari tisztje volt. 1928. december 15-étől a Honvédelmi Minisztériumban szolgált, 1931. szeptember 1-jétől öt éven át harcászatot tanított a vezérkaritiszt-képzést végző Hadiakadémián. 1936. november 1-jétől a HM VI. csoportfőnökség (valójában a Vezérkari Főnökség) 7/ö (összeköttetés) osztályának vezetője lett, vezérkari ezredesi rendfokozatban.

1940. november 1-jétől a 2. gépkocsizó dandár parancsnoka volt, 1941. május 1-jével tábornok. A vezetése alatt álló csapatok szerepeltek a Szovjetunió ellen 1941 nyarán harcba vetett Gyorshadtest hadrendjében. Rövid ideig az 1. hadsereg vezérkari főnöke volt, majd 1941. november 1-jétől a vezérkar hadműveleti csoportfőnöki beosztását töltötte be. 1943. február 1-jével lépett elő altábornaggyá, és lett a minisztérium anyagi főcsoportfőnöke. Már nyugállományba helyezését tervezték (1943. augusztus 1-jétől háromhavi egészségügyi szabadságot kapott, majd a II. hadtest parancsnoka lett), amikor Magyarország 1944. március 19-i megszállása után német nyomásra 1944. április 19-én kinevezték a Magyar Királyi Honvéd Vezérkari Főnökség élére, majd május 10-én vezérezredessé léptették elő.

Szeptembertől azonban a korábban feltétlenül némethű tábornok felismerte, hogy Magyarország létérdeke a háborúból való mielőbbi kilépés. 1944. október 15-i szerepe máig vitatott: határozatlan utasításaival, kétértelmű magatartásával hozzájárult a kiugrási kísérlet kudarcához. A nyilasok elől bujkálva, kalandos körülmények között (ferences rendi szerzetesnek öltözött) november 1-jén Kecskeméten önként jelentkezett a szovjet csapatoknál.

Moszkvába vitték, ahol 1944. november 7-től részt vett a fegyverszüneti, majd kormányalakítási tárgyalásokban. 1944. december 12-én érkezett vissza Moszkvából a leendő magyar kormány néhány tagjával együtt. Tagja lett az Ideiglenes Nemzetgyűlés előkészítő bizottságának. December 18-án Hódmezővásárhely küldötteként – pártonkívüliként – került be az Ideiglenes Nemzetgyűlésbe. 1944. december 22-én honvédelmi miniszternek választották meg, 1945. november 15-ig állt a minisztérium élén, egyben a Honvéd Vezérkar főnöke beosztást is beöltötte 1946. március 2-ig. Tagja volt annak a küldöttségnek, amely 1945. január 20-án Moszkvában aláírta a magyar fegyverszüneti egyezményt.

1949. március 25-én letartóztatták, koholt vádak alapján 1950. június 9-én életfogytig tartó fegyházra ítélték. 1956. október 27-én szabadult, ezután visszavonultan élt Balatonfüreden. Ítéletét 1990. május 18-án semmissé nyilvánították.

Fő műve: Vitéz Vörös János magyar királyi vezérezredes vezérkari főnök naplója 1945. április 7-től 1945. október 15-ig. Englewood, USA 1979.

Irodalom: Vitéz Nemes Vörös János. Honvédelmi miniszterek 1944–1990. Budapest, [1992] 13–16.


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Post by Lornito Uriarte Mahinay Jr. » 01 Sep 2007, 11:21

Better translate it to English for others to know.You know what, it's better to share knowledge than keeping it..

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Post by Steen Ammentorp » 02 Sep 2007, 17:30

@Baron
Amanda was actually asking for somebody to translate it into English.

@Csaba Becze
Could you tell us what is wrong in AJK's post?

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Post by amyoz » 03 Sep 2007, 08:19

I am looking for a book published by the Hungarian Historical Research Society Staff entitled:
"War Diaries of the Chief of the General Staff, Janos Voros: From April 17 to October 15 1944".

I have found it at Bookfinder.com, it is in print apparently, but there are no bookstores in its database that stock it. I tried to phone the Hungarian Historical Research Society on (0011)3612246700 in Budapest, but it was not a terribly good idea as I do not speak Hungarian, and the person who answered the phone did not speak English!

The ISBN of the book is 0935484035, it is published by Universe Publishing Company and is a softcover.

I would greatly appreciate any help people could give me in locating this book.

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No translation is required...

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Post by CB1 » 04 Sep 2007, 21:35

Hi Amanda,

The text is about his professional career, there is nothing about his private life in it.

After the war he was Minister of Defence until 15NOV45 and Chief of Staff until 2MAR46. He was arrested on 25MAR49 and sentenced to life on 9JUN50. He was liberated along many other political prisoners after the OCT56 revolution. He lived in Balatonfüred after that. His sentence was revoked on 18MAY90.

If time allows I will call the publisher and let you know the results.

Bye,
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Post by Csaba Becze » 05 Sep 2007, 06:56

Amanda,

that particular book was published in the USA in 1979, not in Hungary. Very few copies reached Hungary, you should try to catch it in the USA (will be not an easy task) That Hungarian Historical Research Society published few interesting titles in the late '70's and early '80's, but hard to find them.

Maybe you should try the interlibrary system as well, I guess, some Hungarian libraries in the USA hold this title and willing to send it.

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Re: Colonel General Janos Voros

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Post by USMC1 » 03 Dec 2019, 21:57

Amanda:

My father was a Hungarian soldier in the Royal Hungarian Army stationed in Balatonfured, Hungary on Dec.24, 1944. As a soldier, him and his men were garrisoned at Voros Janos home and met his wife or mother in Balatonfured. I do not know the exact address or location?

Voros Janos and the men under him defected to the Russian Army during that time as well.

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