Romania and the Vienna Award (continuation)

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 19 Mar 2002 19:45

I don't know if he tried to speculate it.

Landser · Post by **Landser** » 24 Mar 2002 11:20

Slightly OT
Is there ever been a country in history or at least the last 100 years that has changed their TURNCOATS more than Rumania did.

WHAT A C O U N T R Y !!!!

Landser · Post by **Landser** » 24 Mar 2002 11:30

BTW Victor!
Just wondered if you're using a Rumanian computer or keypad?
You are very hard to decipher some times with all the garbage scattered on your posts.

PS Buy a Western one or at least a Hungarian one=you'll be glad you did.

Ovidius · Post by **Ovidius** » 24 Mar 2002 11:41

1. I don't know what kind of computer does Victor use, but the garbage in the posts is NOT due to the type of computer used - sometimes when someone edits his/her post, the server changes automatically some symbols to numbers; I don't know why.

2. There were plenty of countries who changed their turncoats as Romania did:

- Britain: attacking Red Russia in 1919-1921, allied with her in 1941-1945;

- USA: supplying the enemies of Red Russia in 1919-1921, selling weapons to her from 1929 to 1945, allied officially between 1941-1945;

- USSR: trying to spread Communist revolution in 1919-1924, restraining herself to Socialism-In-One-Country from 1924 to 1939, signing the non-aggression pact with Germany in 1939, allied secretly with the USA all that time, performing espionage flights over the German (allied) territory from 1940 to 1941, fighting Germany from 1941 to 1945(outside the original Soviet border from 1944 onwards, hence invasion), invading and Communizing the Eastern Europe in 1945, trying to impose perestroika in the same Eastern Europe in the 1980s, now cooperating to her former enemies.

~Ovidius

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 24 Mar 2002 11:59

You can blaim bill gates for the weird sybols in my posts. When I write some of the replies in MS Word (when I am offline) and then paste them here, the board converts them into that stuff. I try not to use abrevations anymore.

All this "turncoat" stuff is getting annoying. You guys keep repeating this pathetic idea again and again. Have you ever heard about politics? It is built around interest, not friendship. Romania's interest was in 44 to get back Transylvania (which btw the German "friends" gave to Hungary), since Bessarabia and the war with the Allies was lost.

Btw, my keyboard was bought in the USA in 1992!!

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 24 Mar 2002 12:02

Lanser originally wrote:
WHAT A C O U N T R Y!!!

Visit it, maybe you will like it.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 24 Mar 2002 12:07

I have corrected the "garbage". Just for you, Landser.

Ovidius · Post by **Ovidius** » 24 Mar 2002 12:09

Victor,

Landser is an Ethnic German born in Romania in 1932, lived in Poland during WWII, today he lives in USA.

~Ovidius

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 24 Mar 2002 18:24

Another good "turncoat" example would be the Third Reich. It attacked the Soviet Union in 1941 after having signed a non-aggression pact eith it in 1939.

Cezarprimo · Post by **Cezarprimo** » 25 Mar 2002 13:47

Hoping that Landser is ill informed and not ill intentioned, I belive that this thread reches it's pourpose and that is to clear preconcievd ideeas about Romania's conduct in WWII.

I'll not reiterate why Romania didn't owe Germany to die by it's side in WWII and how it followed it's own best interest. There is a whole discussion about this in the old forum.

But there was a refernce here about Moldova. There is a Republic of Moldova in Europe now. It is (more or less) the old romanian province of Besserabia. I belive Besserabia was the reason why Romanian joined the Axis in invading SU, and Hitler's favor in the Transylvanian problem was the main reason why, Romania continued fighting after Besserabia was retaken. However, I've read somewhere that the number of romanian soldaires on the front after Besserabia was retaken diminished only to increase again a few month later. Can some one bring some more light on this subject ?

Regards

Rommel · Post by **Rommel** » 26 Mar 2002 22:11

I know Transylvania was part of the Hungarin Kingdom,but it was Romanian land.And since 1521 when Hungary became Turkish province Transylvania had the status of autonom region
After 1700 Transylvania was part of Austro Hungary Empire until 1918 when it united with Romania.
Of course there was no Romania on maps until 1848 but there were the Romanian Principates: Transylvania,Valachia and Moldavia.
And can you explain why the majority of population is Romanian and religion is orthodox not catholic.
How came Romanian language preserved for thousand years since from 1000AD you say Transylvania was part of Hungary.Make you think doesn t it?

Ovidius · Post by **Ovidius** » 27 Mar 2002 01:14

MagyarCrusader wrote:

2 things one for that. The first time Romania appeared on anyone's map was the 1800s and at that time it did not include Transylvania, a land that had been part of a Kingdom called Hungary which appeared on maps around 1000AD.

As long as we stick on to facts, from 1526(Mohacs) the Kingdom of Hungary did no longer exist at all, due to those no-good, barbaric and pagan Turks who kicked like hell the asses of the Catholic heroes, together with their Kingdom sanctioned by the Pope whose boot those heroes were so eager to kiss. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

While, of course, the medieval princedoms founded by those no-good lousy Romanian peassant-warriors :evil: continued their existence unharmed, to the great disappointment of some Magyars around.

IAR80 wrote:

4th, we could have occupied hungary for good simply because we were more and you were defeated, but we were nice guys and didn't.

And of course, now we pay hard for having been so nice guys.

We should have annexed Hungary and given the future Chancellor Hitler a lesson what to do in his future occupation of Poland. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Again, another pearl of MagyarCrusader's thought:

Secondly, if it is undoubtely Romanian, why didn't you allow the plebiscites for self-determination to occur in the land?

It did happen, in December 1918, when the elected representatives of the Romanian population had assembled together in Blaj to vote for the unification.

Where, of course, the noble Magyar Catholic heroes had nothing to do, because they do not mingle into Romanian plebeian environment. :twisted:

~Ovidius

Long Live Romania!!!

Rommel · Post by **Rommel** » 27 Mar 2002 01:23

no comment!...you ar right all the way...btw sorry I said Mohacs was in 1521 instead of 1526

MagyarCrusader · Post by **MagyarCrusader** » 27 Mar 2002 06:01

yadda yadda yadda... I wish I could believe Ovidius' comment was a joke but I'm inclinded to doubt with the knowledge of the actions of his government over the past 80 years. Call me when Ceausescu's rhetoric dries up.

IAR80 · Post by **IAR80** » 27 Mar 2002 06:52

Bzzzz! Wrong answer MagyarCrusader!
The facts presented in Ovidius' post are entirely true, especially the occupation of Hungary by the Ottoman Empire which, for God's sake, is mentioned even in hungarian textbooks. The hungarian state simply disspeared for a while off the map. This is an undenyable fact that is present in every history work concerning the middle ages, regardless of orientation. Face it, the hungarians were defeated then while the romanian states continued to exist. This is concrete fact.
As for 1918, I'm afraid that you guys, Ovidius, Victor, Rommel, will have to bring solid evidence to support your statements.

Let's keep it up, they won't last long!

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