Questions for Croats! (two barracks ID)

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Questions for Croats! (two barracks ID)

Post by Ivan Ž. » 08 Sep 2016 11:33

Hello, everyone

Does anyone from Croatia (or elsewhere of course) recognise these two barracks, please:

the first two photos were taken in the Sisak area (1943)
NARA 037.jpg
NARA 039.jpg
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...and this one was probably taken in Croatia, but not 100% sure (April 1941, somewhere along the line Celje - Zagreb - Karlovac - Bihać; it reminds me of the Rudolf's Barracks in Zagreb); also, it is possible that the fence/building in the background does not belong to a military facility at all, that is only my assumption
MIJ 16495.jpg
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Re: Questions for Croats! (two barracks ID)

Post by GregSingh » 11 Sep 2016 23:49

Here is the location of the first photo from Sisak!
Sisak-Ladarska.jpg
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Re: Questions for Croats! (two barracks ID)

Post by Ivan Ž. » 12 Sep 2016 00:18

GregSingh wrote:Here is the location of the first photo from Sisak!

Sisak-Ladarska.jpg
Great find, Greg, thanks very much! :thumbsup:

Any ideas about the other building/town (the photo with POWs & mountain troopers)? Zagreb or...?

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Re: Questions for Croats! (two barracks ID)

Post by GregSingh » 12 Sep 2016 06:53

Ivan Ž. wrote: Any ideas about ..(the photo with POWs & mountain troopers)? Zagreb or...?
I may leave this one for Croats! :D
Although my guess would be that area behind POWs is a cemetery, possibly a Jewish one...
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Re: Questions for Croats! (two barracks ID)

Post by shamirnewell » 12 Sep 2016 23:20

Ivan Ž. wrote:Hello, everyone

Does anyone from Croatia (or elsewhere of course) recognise these two barracks, please:

the first two photos were taken in the Sisak area (1943)
NARA 037.jpgNARA 039.jpg

...and this one was probably taken in Croatia, but not 100% sure (April 1941, somewhere along the line Celje - Zagreb - Karlovac - Bihać; it reminds me of the Rudolf's Barracks in Zagreb); also, it is possible that the fence/building in the background does not belong to a military facility at all, that is only my assumption
MIJ 16495.jpg

Thanks in advance,
Ivan
A google image search on the second picture says this is in Maribor Slovenia.

http://znaci.net/damjan/izvor.php?br=16495&vrsta=3

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 12 Sep 2016 23:41

shamirnewell wrote:A google image search on the second picture says this is in Maribor Slovenia.
That's the archival description and one of their many wrong IDs. The 1st Mountain Division (in the photo) did not pass through Maribor, but Celje, and continued towards Croatia (as I wrote: Celje - Zagreb - Karlovac - Bihać).

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Re: Questions for Croats! (two barracks ID)

Post by shamirnewell » 12 Sep 2016 23:54

Can you tell me what route they took to get to Celje?

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 13 Sep 2016 00:39

They crossed the border near Bleiburg and continued towards Celje.

Note: as far as I can see (and I could always be wrong, of course), German soldiers in the photo have the regimental number 98 on their shoulder straps (number of one of the 1st Mt. Div. regiments). This is why I suspect that Maribor isn't the correct ID. However, the city of Maribor was indeed captured by some mountain troops (led by certain Hauptmann Palten), but I'm failing to find out what was the name/number of their original unit (it's 2AM here now, I'm really exausted). Any info on this?

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Re: Questions for Croats! (two barracks ID)

Post by GregSingh » 19 Sep 2016 23:12

I think it's a question for Slovenians!
Celje cemetery wall looks quite similar, but I am not 100% sure yet...
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Re: Questions for Croats! (two barracks ID)

Post by Ivan Ž. » 19 Sep 2016 23:17

Thanks for the hint, Greg! Any photos for comparison? I wasn't able to find any.

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Re: Questions for Croats! (two barracks ID)

Post by GregSingh » 19 Sep 2016 23:47

Unfortunately no historical photos for comparison yet.
Google Street View is quite good, but wall is now extended and seems to be redone/fixed.
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Re: Questions for Croats! (two barracks ID)

Post by Ivan Ž. » 19 Sep 2016 23:54

Screenshot(s) please? I'm not much good at using the Google Street View, I must admit... :?

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Re: Questions for Croats! (two barracks ID)

Post by GregSingh » 24 Sep 2016 04:16

Can't really take a good screenshot there. Only refurbish fence is clearly visible. Older one is cover with vegetation...
Try this link and "walk around"
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@46.2300 ... 312!8i6656

Fence posts look similar to those on "Maribor" photo, but I am not really sure...
Celje seems to be a right place, that's where Mountain Division spent most of it's time...
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Re: Questions for Croats! (two barracks ID)

Post by Ivan Ž. » 24 Sep 2016 12:21

Yes, the fense posts do look similar, but - they are not the same. The 1st Mt. Div. didn't spend much time in Celje, it continued its journey very fast (the commander, however, did stay in the town for a while, but only with a minor part of the unit). Of course, it could still be Celje, but it isn't the graveyard in the background of the photo. I must add that I remain amazed with your knowledge / eyesight / Google Street View skills, if you have any more ideas, please share.

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Re: Questions for Croats! (two barracks ID)

Post by GregSingh » 25 Sep 2016 10:13

Another idea! :D
This park has several gates...just walk around!
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.8054998 ... 6656?hl=en

Still puzzled by a Star of David on the post in original photo... perhaps it's not a six-pointed star at all ???
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