German opinions on their allies

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 19 May 2002 06:37

I am interestied in any kind of quotes from German officers about their allies.

Rasputin17 · Post by **Rasputin17** » 19 May 2002 16:44

As far as I know Hitler regarded the Hungarians as a nation of "daring cavalrymen". The Germnas were quite impressed by the Hungarian forces in the beginning of the Eastern front campaign , and the relations between the two Armies were good(many Hungarian officers were either Volksdeutsche or veterans from the Austro-Hungarian Army and thus spoke German).
What disillusioned the Germans was the Hungarian's hatred for the other Axis partner Rumania( at Stalingrad the Germans had to place the Italian 8th Army between the Rumanian 3rd and the Hungarian 2nd Army because otherwise fighting may have broken out).

Regards

Martin

Benoit Douville · Post by **Benoit Douville** » 19 May 2002 18:04

No question that the rivalry between the Romanian and the Hungarian at the Battle of Stalingrad was a major factor that cause the defeat of the Axis forces.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 19 May 2002 19:06

The Romanian-Hungarian rivalry was not the cause of the defeat at Stalingrad. The German strategy was.

Ovidius · Post by **Ovidius** » 19 May 2002 22:24

Benoit Douville wrote:No question that the rivalry between the Romanian and the Hungarian at the Battle of Stalingrad was a major factor that cause the defeat of the Axis forces.

I thought you were at least a little more intelligent

~Ovidius

Benoit Douville · Post by **Benoit Douville** » 20 May 2002 02:38

I know why Marcus wants to expulse you from the forum with comments like that. I am happy that you don't represent all Romanians because i know that the Romanian are generaly nice people.

The rivalry between the Hungarian and the Romanian was not the biggest factor in the Battle of Stalingrad but it was a major factor like it or not and the German strategy as well.

jaeger · Post by **jaeger** » 20 May 2002 15:53

"I have never had better battalion."
SS-Gruppenführer Gottlob Berger
Chief of SS-Hauptamt

"...Where a Finnish SS-man stood, enemy was always defeated."
Order of the day, 11th of July 1943
Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler

Do I need to say more?

Starinov · Post by **Starinov** » 21 May 2002 19:35

In his memoirs from March/April 1945, Gobbels writes that Stalin has even better generals than Hitler and should be proud of them...

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 21 May 2002 20:01

This topic is only about German allies, not SS troops or Russians.

Daniel S. · Post by **Daniel S.** » 22 May 2002 02:03

Benoit Douville wrote:I know why Marcus wants to expulse you from the forum with comments like that. I am happy that you don't represent all Romanians because i know that the Romanian are generaly nice people.

The rivalry between the Hungarian and the Romanian was not the biggest factor in the Battle of Stalingrad but it was a major factor like it or not and the German strategy as well.

I'm generally a nice person,Benoit Douville,and I want to explain without offend you.The reason for that the rivalry between Ro-Hu was not a factor which to decide the Battle of Stalingrad is that Hungarian troops weren't deployed near Romanians as you may think.The 8th Italian Army was there.

~Daniel~

Benoit Douville · Post by **Benoit Douville** » 23 May 2002 00:09

Daniel,

But you gona agree that they were some friction between the Romanian and the Hungarian on the Eastern front right. Do you have any source about what your saying?

Regards

Daniel S. · Post by **Daniel S.** » 23 May 2002 16:55

Benoit Douville wrote: But you gona agree that they were some friction between the Romanian and the Hungarian on the Eastern front right. Do you have any source about what your saying?

Some frictions between Ro-Hu existed indeed but not during the battle of Stalingrad.That's simply because the Italian 8th Army was interfered by the Germans between 2nd Hungarian Army and 3rd Romanian Army to avoid some possible frictions.See any source and you'll have no doubt about this.For example,see http://www.wwii.home.roClick
'Campaigns' and then 'Stalingrad'.Look at the map-you'll see that Romanian 3rd Army is beetween Italian 8th Army and German 6th Army.You'll see no hungarian army there.

~Daniel~

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 24 May 2002 21:57

Here are some quotes on the Romanians

"After World War II I asked my friend General Hans Speidel, who had commanded various mixed Axis contingents and became Field Marshal Rommel's chief-of-staff: "Which among all the non-German troops were the best soldiers: the Finns, the Croats, the Hungarians?" "None of them," he said: "the Rumanians. Give them good leadership and they are as good as any you'll find." Cyrus L. Sulzberger in "A Long Row of Candles"

"I have already shown what could and could not be expected of Romanian troops in various situations. But they were still our best allies and did fight bravely in many places."

Field Marshal von Manstein in "Lost Victories"

Aroma · Post by **Aroma** » 26 May 2002 00:44

After defeat in Stalingrad german officer cursed Germanys lousy allies to Finnish general Paavo Talvela. Talvela reminded him that the Finnish front is the only front that haven't moved backwards. German officer quoted "Of course i didn't mean Finns-if there were 50 million Finns we would share the world together with you" "If there were 50 million Finns..." Talvela replied "...What makes you think we would share the world together with you?"

Dan · Post by **Dan** » 26 May 2002 03:30

Aroma wrote:After defeat in Stalingrad german officer cursed Germanys lousy allies to Finnish general Paavo Talvela. Talvela reminded him that the Finnish front is the only front that haven't moved backwards. German officer quoted "Of course i didn't mean Finns-if there were 50 million Finns we would share the world together with you" "If there were 50 million Finns..." Talvela replied "...What makes you think we would share the world together with you?"

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