Romania suffered 535,706 casualties during WWI. What's the big difference?Csaba Becze wrote: In 1919 Hungary was a weak country. Hungary lost more than 600 000 killed soldier between 1914-18, and a lot of other soldiers were POW.
Yes the Romanian army was fighting side by side with Soviets from September 1944. But the Hungarians weren't alone in their fight, too. Aren't you forgetting some German armies in the area?Csaba Becze wrote: And in 1944, when the Hungarian unit fought against Romanians, the Hungarians were better. They retreated, but the cause was a huge Red Army, not the Romanians.
Here are some facts for you:
"The German-Hungarian forces attacked on 13 September. Their objective was to push back the 1st Army and establish a defensive line on the Carpathians. The Romanian units retreated because they lacked air and artillery support and even an appropriate natural obstacle. Elements of the Brandenburg Division penetrated 20-30 km behind Romanian lines, but were stopped by the 19th Infantry Division at Resita and Turnu Severin. The 9th Cavalry Division, with support from the 14th Infantry-training Division, which had just arrived, managed to resist in front of the 4th SS Police Division and the 7th SS Mountain Division, that were aiming to take Timisoara. The only important success of the German-Hungarian offensive was the occupation of Arad, by the Hungarian 1st Armoured Division. To prevent an Axis offensive on the Mures Valley, the 1st Army organized the "Paulis" Detachment from a battalion of students from a military school, a battalion of the 96th Infantry Regiment and some 122 mm field guns and 4 AT guns. Its mission was to block the enemy advance in the Paulis area. On 14 September, units from the Hungarian 1st Armoured Division and the 6th Reserve Division started the assault. In spite of numerical superiority they made no progress and, on 17, arrived a Soviet motorized battalion from the 53rd Army. In the following days, the German and Hungarian troops had to retreat after the Romanian-Soviet counteroffensive started. The "Paulis" Detachment lost 377 soldiers and the Hungarians 1,287 men and 23 tanks. Practically, the Axis offensive on Timisoara and Paulis was stopped without Soviet aid."
I can guive a lot of examples of Hungarian soldiers rounding up Romanian peasants and shooting them. But I do not say that "Hungarians were better against defenseless soldiers?" I don't like to generalize. There was scum in every army.Csaba Becze wrote: BTW the Romanians murdered a lot of civilians with the Soviets in Budapest (they were better against civilians?)
Quite the contrary. Hungary and Bulgaria repeatedly received licenses which were denied to Romania. Btw, I wouldn't call 66 Bf-109Gs, 51 Ju-88s, 13 Ju-87Ds and 16 Fw-189As received by Hungary in 1943, nothing.Csaba Becze wrote: What do you think, this is the same, like Romania's position? You must be joking! And Romania got a lot of modern weapons from Germany, but Hungary none, till 1944. The Hungarian Army fought against the Red Army with old and unimpressive weapons. This is a sad fact.
After August 1944, the Romanian army's state started to decay. Most of the battle hardened veterans were rounded up by the Soviets and sent to "sunny" Siberia. The Romanian factories that existed, worked for the Red Army, the railroad system and trains was used primarily by the Soviets. They also confiscated large quantities of weapons and cars. All attempts to buy weapons from the Soviets were refused.
Csaba Becze wrote: But this topic is not a Romanian-Hungarian topic.
You are right.
Here is another quote: Field Marshal von Rundstedt, who at various times in 1941 operated with Romanian, Hungarian, Italian and Slovak mobile formations, seems to have thought most highly of the Slovaks, who he described as "very good, first rate, very unassuming, always there."