German opinions on their allies

Geppistoly Katona · Post by **Geppistoly Katona** » 09 Jul 2002 01:11

Do i sound angry with the Rumanian Lovers in here[ i.e. Ovidius ] ? Maybe I am!!! Do I tend to dislike Rumanian lovers ....Yes!!!!!!!!! That should be no news flash for the people that have been here long enought o remember me....

AND YOU HINT AT THE FACT I AM USING WORDS THAT THEY DIDNT ACTUALLY SAY...... WELLLLLLL DUHHHHH I am making what i like to call generalizations....

And i made hitler generalizations that I BELIEVE to be true, and no you cannot prove my beliefs wrong unless you can get into hitlers mind.... I'll give you a cookie if you can pull that off!!!

And well if you go look at archives from the old forum..... YOU HAVE STATED YOUR HATRED FOR THE ROMA MANY A TIME!!!!!!! Infact you were almost kicked out of the forum for it if i remember right.....

And well my fantasies....i really dont get what you are trying to say there..... but everything i attributed to people might not have been there exact words, but generalizations of the ideas they were spouting!!!!

'So ovidius where does this leave you.............

Geppistoly Katona · Post by **Geppistoly Katona** » 09 Jul 2002 01:15

Oh and Ovidius..... PLEASE POINT OUT WHERE I CLAIMED TO QUOTE PEOPLE before you go on spouting your cock and bull stories of me and my fantasies!!!!!

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 09 Jul 2002 07:30

Geppistoly Katona wrote:Benoit, Ovidius, Victor..... Long time no see..... IM BACK

Where did you disappear in the first place?

Anyway, I started this topic to point out the fact that some Germans appreciated the non-German troops they had under their command. This might help the less-informed people out-there who practically know nothing about Germany's allies in WWII. Does it bother you that there were some generals who respected the Romanian or Slovak or Finnish army and didn't say that only the Hungarians were "the best of the best" (like you think of your beloved Szent Lazlo Division)?

Geppistoly Katona · Post by **Geppistoly Katona** » 09 Jul 2002 16:40

I was up in Alaska for my summer job, that's why i suddenly dissapeared, you can expect this next year aswell

It doesnt bother that they admired the Rumanians, well i dont recall anyone complimenting Slovaks so i'll put Croats here, or Finns....well I couldnt be jealous of the FInns they are the closest relatives the Hungarians had, infact the Germans stopped Hungarian troops enroute to FInland to help their FInnish brothers BUT I dont like that when people point out that the Generals said they admired these units that they dont say that some of those same generals admired other units from otheer countries, such as Hungarians...

But it's nice to see you again.....actually you are about the only Rumanian sympathizer that I respect and like to hear from

and I'll tell you why, you cut the crap and get down to the point, and unlike Ovidius you dont poke in smart comments, you don't throw facts around like an AMERICAN football, and you phrase your sentences even if you mean them to be antagonistic to make you sound calm and wise....So even if you might just be a TOTAL Rumanian Lover I'll still respect what you say because it is usually intelligeable and smooth going, So i would consider you to be the only Rumanian sympathizer on this forum yet that I know of that has any sence......

thats my 2 cents anyways

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 09 Jul 2002 20:20

There is quote, if you will scroll up (I believe on the 2nd page) in one of my posts, in which von Runstedt praises the Slovaks.

I would appreciate if you would stop calling us Romanian lovers or sympathizers. Were just Romanians, so it's normal to "love" or "sympathize" with Romania. The only non-Romanian on this forum that sympathizes with Romanians (that I know of) is Cezarprimo.

JeffreyF · Post by **JeffreyF** » 11 Jul 2002 06:36

Considering equipment the advance under General Messe was pretty fast. Not to mention the sacrifice of the Julia division on the steppes. Participation in Lagoda Lake/Black sea.

There were some logistics problems that plagued Itlaian units of course. Gas vs Diesel engined transports. Winter gear kept in rear lines until it was far too late to equip regular line troops. Etc.

Not to mention that buffer between Romanian/Hungarian troops.

The Corpo Aereo Italiano working with the CSIR did not do to bad. Some people seem to forget that for all the bashing of Italians Romanians did use Jumo engined S.79s and the Heja(sp?) was a licensed copy of the Regiane Re.2000/2 line of fighter. Not sure about Romanians but Italians and Hungarians suffered maintenance woes of Caproni planes in common too.

Although I would love to see a reliable performance comparison of the three engined S.79 vs 2 Jumo engine version. Just my speculation but I would imagine deletion of the bomber gondola and moving bombadier forward would have been worth going to inline engines. Just never have seen a performance comparison.

The equipment used up in Russia would probably have better served in Med theatre. I say this even though I do realize this forum is geared more towards the east front.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 11 Jul 2002 14:21

JeffreyF wrote: The equipment used up in Russia would probably have better served in Med theatre. I say this even though I do realize this forum is geared more towards the east front.

Probably, but would it get there in one piece? And once there, could these forces be properly supplied?
My opinion is that the war in the Med needed to be won first on the sea by taking Malta and inflicting a serious defeat to the Royal Navy.
The Italian Alpine Corps would have surely been better used in the Caucasus, however.

I would also like to see a serious performance comparison between the S.79 and the JIS/JRS-79B. The latter was slower and had a shorter range, but it could deliver more bombs. The moving of the bombardier forward was also a good thing. Probably the best suited person for this would be a pilot that flew them both.

Csaba Becze · Post by **Csaba Becze** » 25 Jul 2002 09:53

Folgore:

I read a lot of books about first world war too. In autumn, 1917, all German officer said in Italian front, that their most weakest enemies are the Italians. Perhaps you have right, perhaps Rommel was the only German, who had different opinion, but I don't believe this.
BTW, this isnt a wonder, because the Italian soldiers fought without motivation. During the last Isonzo battles, till Oct. 1917, the attacker Italians lost MORE prisoner of wars, than the defender Austro-Hungarian forces.

Géppisztoly Katona:
Hitler hated Hungarians, but I am tired to write a lot (and I have not enough good English skills). If you want, I'll send you a Hungarian letter about this.

Csaba