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Post by dragos » 06 Jan 2005 12:59

IAR 80, you said:
You are misinformed about the relationship between officers andd the soldiers, there were so rare that kind of situation. Think , they were depended on each other on the front, and many of the officers were sons of pesants.


This sounds nice, but the reality wasn't so in many cases. Here is a report issued after the battle of Odessa that shows not only lack of training, but also lack of cohesion between lower ranks and commanding officers, because of the high casualties rate of the officers (also due to lack of training).

Making an analysis of the causes that enabled the 4th Army to score an important but lacking in brightness victory at Odessa, General Alexandru Gavrilescu, chief of Section 3 Operations in the Romanian General Headquarters, remarked that they were "many" and "less obvious than might seem at first sight". In the outlook of the Romanian military analyst the setbacks in the battle were particulary due to the insufficient personnel, training, organization, equipment, deficient command and carrying out of the plans.

As regards the structure of the troops, most of the military were over 30 and came from 12 contingents who had undergone fairly brief training because of many leaves accorded to save money in the period before the war which resulted in the fact that the fortified system of Odessa was attacked by an "infantry made up of individuals lacking the enthusiasm of youth which in so necessary in such operations".

Also as regards the personnel, the number of officers in active service was small (50 per cent were reserve officers). At the end of the battle some regiments were left with only 20 officers in active duty out of 43, from which only 5 had been there since the fights began. Besides, the number of NCOs in active duty was also small, many of them being replaced by enlisted sergents, which was felt in the command of subunits.

A negative impact had the great number of changes in the structure of units and the insufficient organization and equipment of units: the lack of artillery brigade commands at big units, to coordinate and direct the fire of artillery divisions "the lack of own transportation means, which put obstacles in the rapid movement of troops, according to the requirements of the dynamics of the battle; the insufficient comunications equipment and trained personnel to operate at the level of research companies; the lack of antiaircraft armament, particularly in the machinegun and heavy mortas companies in the infantry regiments.

Another factor which hindered the development of military actions was the poor training of the troops, due to the "reduction of the training period, of the time necesaiy for training in the use of modern armament, which arrived only on the eve of Romania's entering the war". In many situations, skill was acquired in the very battle field. So, no wonder that there was "fear of the combat cars", "restraint to make use of the hand grenades", "insufficient use of the terrain".


Source: Romania in World War II, ISOSIM, Bucharest 1997.

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Post by IAR 80 » 06 Jan 2005 13:20

Thank you Dragos for the answer :)

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Post by Victor » 06 Jan 2005 13:26

The cohesion was higher in the ranks of the troops that had spent more time together, like the mountain troops, cavalry or frontier-guards, which also had a feeling of superiority over the regular infantry. The relations between officers, NCOs and soldiers were not quite as "pink" as IAR-80 painted them. Beatings weren't uncommon, at least in 1941. For instance we have the testimonies of the members of the German Military Mission, which were apalled by the beating of subordinates during the training exercices. On 30 June 1941 the CO of the 1/2nd Guard Vanatori Regiment ordered corporal punishments for men of the 11th Company, which failed to resist in the Bogdanesti bridgehead.

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Post by huddyhuddy » 17 Apr 2018 06:54

Good morning,

Can there be a way to identify this officer and his reason for traveling to Berlin in 1943?
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Post by Dr Eisvogel » 24 Apr 2018 22:14

huddyhuddy wrote:Good morning,

Can there be a way to identify this officer and his reason for traveling to Berlin in 1943?
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Dear huddyhuddy,

the officer is captain Nicolae Popescu.

In the passport his voyage to Germany is classified as official mission.

His entry into German Reich was envisaged through the border crossing Sniatyn.

The validity of his passport was extended by Romanian Royal Legation in Berlin, which suggests he resided in Berlin for a longer time.

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Post by huddyhuddy » 25 Apr 2018 07:40

Good morning and thank you Eisvogel.
Thank you for the reply!
Would you be able also to identify more about the captain and his duties?
And also the officials who signed the extension in his passport?
Best Rgrds,
Neil

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Post by Dr Eisvogel » 25 Apr 2018 15:06

huddyhuddy wrote:Good morning and thank you Eisvogel.
Thank you for the reply!
Would you be able also to identify more about the captain and his duties?
And also the officials who signed the extension in his passport?
Best Rgrds,
Neil
Dear Neil,

at this moment I can see that the validity of captain Popescu's passport has been extended twice, both times in Berlin, because initial passport has been issued in Bucharest on May 17th 1943 with the validity until August 17th 1943.

The first date his passport was extended was on August 5th 1943 with the validity until February 3rd 1944 by official whose surname looks like Stanciu and who had rank of minister in the Royal Legation of Romania.

The second time captain Popescu's passport was extended is not clearly indicated (I would guess around January 14th 1944), but the passport has been extended until January 14th 1945. Unfortunately, I cannot read the name and surname of the official who did it.

Also, captain Popescu might have had two middle names with initials JB or IB, but it's not entirely clear to me. I see them in his own signature and in his name as written on the first page of the passport.

I think that more about the nature of his mission in Berlin can be provided especially by the Romanian members of this forum, because I lack access to the literature.

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Eisvogel

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Post by huddyhuddy » 25 Apr 2018 18:45

Dear Eisvogel,

Good evening.
Thank you again for the reply and information provided, much interesting!
Will continue the research, and hopefully will turn up something and share it here with you.

Thanks again,
Bets Rgrds,
Neil

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Post by Dr Eisvogel » 25 Apr 2018 22:53

huddyhuddy wrote:Dear Eisvogel,

Good evening.
Thank you again for the reply and information provided, much interesting!
Will continue the research, and hopefully will turn up something and share it here with you.

Thanks again,
Bets Rgrds,
Neil
Dear Neil,

I would be most interested to read about the results of your research.

Best regards,
Eisvogel

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