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Let's build: 1. Huszár Division (Hungary)

Post by Marcus » 30 May 2004 10:28

In an effort to improve and expand the unit histories on the site, we will be launching a new series of "Let's Build" threads.
The object is to pool our collective knowledge and reconstruct these units. No contribution is too small, no fact too obscure, equipment, armament, manpower strength, high award holders, biographical information, photographs, reference material or combat reports, everything is welcome, just remember to mention the source of your information.

This thread is dedicated to information on 1. Huszár Division (Hungary).



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Post by Orok » 30 May 2004 14:40

Marcus,

Will this thread cover this Division from the constitution of its predecessor the 1. Cavalry Division on October 1, 1942; or it only covers the period statrting from when the Division was formally redesignated as 1. Huszár Division in September 1944?

Best Regards!

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Post by Marcus » 30 May 2004 14:50

Orok,

Let's include the time it held the title Cavalry Division too.

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Post by Marcus » 31 May 2004 13:39

1. Huszár Division was formed Oct 1942 as 1. Cavalry Division from 1. Cavalry Brigade and 2. Cavalry Brigade. It was redesignated 1. Huszár Division Sep 1944.

Some elements of this division surrendered to US forces in Styria, Austria, while others surrendered to the Red Army.

Commanders
Major General Antal Vattay (1 Oct 1942 - 18 July 1944)
Major General Mihály Ibrányi (18 July 1944 - 4 Nov 1944)
Colonel Zoltán Schell (13 Nov 1944 - ? Apr 1945)

Order of Battle
2. Cavalry Regiment
3. Cavalry Regiment
4. Cavalry Regiment
1. Cavalry Tank Battalion
15. Bicycle Battalion
1. Cavalry Artillery Battalion
2. Cavalry Artillery Battalion
3. Artillery Battalion (mot)
55. Anti-Aircraft Battalion (mot)
4. Combat Engineer Company (mot)
1. Cavalry Signal Company (mot)
1. Cavalry Supply Services HQ (mot)

Reference material on this unit
- None known at this time -

http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=4193

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Post by VJK » 31 May 2004 18:41

Hi!

I have slightly different information re the Commanders:

Major General Antal Vattay (1 Oct 1942 - 18 July 1944)
Colonel Zoltán Schell (18 July 1944 - 31 July 1944) - acting CO
Major General Mihály Ibrányi (1 Aug 1944 - 4 Nov 1944)
Colonel Attila Makay (4 Nov 1944 - 13 Nov 1944) - acting CO
Lt. Field Marshal Ozskár Baitz (13 Nov 1944 - 3 May 1945)

Colonel Schell commanded the 1. Field Replacement Cavalry Division in 1945.

Source: The Royal Hungarian Armed Forces 1919 - 1945; Andris J. Kursietis; ARK Publications Co. 1994

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Post by Orok » 01 Jun 2004 04:36

Hi VJK,

Marcus's commanders list was probably taken from Dr. Leo Niehorster's Book: The Royal Hungarian Army, 1920-1945, Axis Europa Books, New York, 1998. My copy of the book has the same info as Marcus posted.

Best Regards!

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Post by Marcus » 01 Jun 2004 10:26

Yes, Orok is correct, that book is the source I used.

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Post by AJK » 02 Jun 2004 14:45

The list of commanders given in The Royal Hungarian Armed Forces 1919 - 1945 by Andris J. Kursietis contains an error. General Baitz was deputy commander of the 1st Cavalry Division during 1 October 1942 - 1 May 1943, at which time he retired. There is no indication that he returned at a later date to command the Division. It would seem that the correct list of commanders is as follows:

Major General Antal Vattay (1 Oct 1942 - 18 Jul 1944)
Colonel Zoltán Schell (18 July 1944 - 31 Jul 1944) - acting CO
Major General Mihály Ibrányi (1 Aug 1944 - 4 Nov 1944)
Colonel Attila Makay (4 Nov 1944 - 13 Nov 1944) - acting CO
Colonel Zoltán Schell (13 Nov 1944 - ? Apr 1945)

Sources:
A Magyar Katonai Felsö Vezetés, by Sándor Szakály
Az Utolsó Magyar Huszárok, by Géza Splényi

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1. Huszár Division - Alernative OOB

Post by Andrew Telford » 02 Jun 2004 16:33

Hello Marcus, et al,
One of my references in front of me has a slightly different OOB for the 1. Huszár Division. :?

There is no 2. Cav. Artillery Battalion, and the 3. Felderítőzászlóalj (Recce Battalion) is part of the Division, the Csaba’s from the two former cavalry battalions were combined to form the 3. Felderítőzászlóalj, although this unit did not achieve full strength until 1944

Garrison Locations & equipment levels from an OOB taken from:
The Royal Hungarian Army The Mobile Forces by Peter Mujzer
Self Published CD-ROM

Order of Battle

Regiment consisted of (On paper)

2. Cavalry Regiment
Regimental HQ garrisoned at Szabadka, 2./I garrisoned at Szentes, 2./II garrisoned at Szabadka. All the Pioneer Company’s from the Regimental HQ and battalions were garrisoned at Zenta

2.
Pioneer Company
Telephone Company
Heavy Weapons/Mortar Company
Anti-tank gun company (Mot) (6 Guns 37- 47mm)
Mountain gun Batt. Horse drawn (4 x Guns 75mm)

2./I
Pioneer Company
Radio Company
Cavalry Assault Detachment
MMG Company (2)
Heavy Weapons/Mortar Company (4)
Anti-tank gun company (Mot) 2 Guns 37- 47mm
3 Cavalry Company’s

2./II
As above

3. Cavalry Regiment
Regimental HQ garrisoned at Nagyvárad, 3./I garrisoned at Nagyvárad, 3./II garrisoned at Munkács

Organisation as above, however one of the 3./I cavalry companies was garrisoned at Nagy-Szalonta

4. Cavalry Regiment
Regimental HQ 4./I & 4./II all garrisoned at Nyíregháza.

Organisation as above

1. Cavalry Tank Battalion
Garrisoned at Zenta

The OOB I have in front of me has:
Headquarters company 3 x Turán 40M & 5 x Toldí
1 x Motorised maintenance company.
1 x Turán 41M company (11)
3 x Turán 40M Companies (each of 17 )

However, isn’t there always a ‘however’ ? The same source within the text also suggests some ‘other’ sources claim 56 x 40M, 11 x 41M, 5 x Toldí, & 3 T-38.

3. Felderítőzászlóalj (Recce Batt.)
Garrisoned at Szilágysomlyó

Battalion HQ (Mot)
Pioneer Company
Telephone Company
Anti-tank gun company 4 x Guns 75mm (Mot)
1 x Motorised maintenance company
2 x Armoured Car Recce Company’s (13 39M Csaba each)

15. Bicycle Battalion
Garrisoned at Kiskunhalas, the Motorised Pinoneer company were garrisoned at Szegea.

Pioneer Company
Telephone Company
Anti-tank gun company (Mot) (4 Guns 37- 47mm)
Motorised Artillery Battery 4 x 105mm
Self Propelled Anti-Aircraft Company (2 Nimrod)
2 x Bicycle Companies
1 x Motorcycle Company
1 x MMG Company (Mot)

1. Cavalry Artillery Battalion
Garrisoned at Nagyvárad

12 x 80mm (3 Batteries of 4 guns)

3. Artillery Battalion (mot)
Garrisoned at Nyirbátor

12 x 105mm (3 Batteries of four guns)

55. Anti-Aircraft Battalion (mot)
Garrisoned at Szeged

1 Battery of ?3 x 80/88mm
2 Batteries of 6 x 40mm

4. Combat Engineer Company (mot)
Garrisoned at Óbecse

1. Cavalry Signal Company (mot)
Garrisoned at Nyiregyháza

1. Cavalry Divisional Supply Services HQ (mot) (including the Motor Maintenance company).
Garrisoned at Szabadka.

Reference material on this unit

There are several Hungarian language books on this unit, or more correctly on the Hungarian Cavalry/Huszárs. Probably very difficult to get examples of now especially outside of Hungary.

Author, title, name of the publisher, date of publication

Splényi: Az utolsó magyar huszárok, Magyar Huszár Egyesület (HHA), 1996

Adonyi, Naredny, Nagy: Magyar huszárok a II. Világháborúban, HHA, 1990

Huszár Hadosztály 1944/45, HHA, 1992

Stark: Hadak Utján, Corvina, 1991

There is another excellent book on the Hungarian Huzárs between 1920-45, on the shelf at home and I cannot unfortunately remember the title, will post it later.

Hope this is of some use.

Regards
Andrew

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Post by Marcus » 20 Jun 2004 14:38

Thanks for that excellent info Andrew.

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Post by Petrus » 20 Jun 2004 16:44

At http://niehorster.orbat.com/015_hungary ... av_43.html you will find how Dr Niehorster depicts the 1st Cavalry Division's organisation as of August 1943.

When the Dr Niehorster's website was at its previous location you could find there a colourful diagram showing organisation of Hungarian mobile troops. Here is a part of that which shows 1st Cavalry Division (see comment above the picture). I believe the diagram comes from a Hungarian official document from WW2.

And this is what is said about a cavalry division at http://www.tdg.nu/resources/TOE/OOBs/19 ... ary_44.htm, where there is an outline given of planned organisation of the Hungarian Army in 1944:

Cavalry Division

HQ

3 Hussar Regiments, each

HQ

1 Mounted Pioneer Platoon
1 Mounted Field Telephone Platoon
1 Mounted Heavy Mortar Company (12 mortars(120mm))
1 Motorized AT Company (9 ATG (75mm)+9LMG)

2 Cavalry Battalions, each

HQ

1 Mounted Field Telephone Platoon
1 Mounted Assault Platoon (3 LMG)
3 Cavalry Companies (each: 9LMG+2HMG+2 mortars (50mm) + 2 ATR)

1 Heavy Company

1 Mounted Heavy Machine Gun Platoon (12 HMG)
1 Mounted Medium Mortar Platoon (8 mortars (81mm))
Motorized Heavy AT Platoon (3ATG (75mm)+3LMG)

1 Armored Recon Battalion

HQ

1 Motorized Pioneer Platoon
1 Motorized Field Telephone Platoon
1 Motorized Heavy AT Platoon (3ATG (75mm)+3 LMG)
1 Motorized Maintenance Platoon
1 Motorized Mortar Company (8 mortars (81mm) + 4 mortars (120mm))
2 Armored Car Companies (each: 13 Csaba armored cars)
1 Light Tank Company (18 Toldi (20mm) light tanks)
2 Motorcycle Infantry Companies (each: 12 LMG+6HMG)
1 Motorized Infantry Company (12 LMG+6 HMG)

1 Cavalry Tank Battalion

HQ

1 Motorized Pioneer Platoon (3 LMG)
1 Motorized Traffic Control Platoon
1 Signal Platoon (3 Turán (40mm) command tanks)
1 Light Tank Platoon (5 Toldi (20mm) tanks)
1 Motorized Suply Company
1 Motorized Maintenance Platoon
1 Heavy Tank Company (2 Turán (75mm) command tanks +15 Turán (75mm) tanks)
3 Medium Tank Companies (each: 2 Turán (40mm) command tanks+25 Turán (40mm) tanks)

1 Motorized Signal Battalion

1 Motorized Telephone Company (5 LMG)
1 Motorized Radio Company (4 LMG)

2 Horse Artillery Battalions, each

3 Horse Artillery Batteries (each: 4 horsedrawn cavalry guns (76.5mm))

1 Motorized Artillery Battalion

3 Motorized Light Artillery Batteries (each: 4 towed filed howitzers (105mm))

1 AA Battalion

1 Motorized AA Battery (4 AAG(80mm))
2 Motorized AA Batteries (each: 6 AAG (40mm))

1 Bicycle Infantry Battalion

HQ

1 Bicycle Pioneer Platoon
1 Bicycle Field Telephone Platoon
1 Motorized AT Platoon (3 ATG (75mm)+3LMG)
1 Motorcycle Platoon (3LMG+2HMG)
1 Motorized Artileery Battery (4 field howitzers (105mm))
2 Bicycle Infantry Companies (each: 12 LMG+6HMG)
1 Motorcycle Infantry Company (12 LMG+6HMG)
1 Motorized Heavy Company (6HMG+8 mortars (81mm))

1 Motorized Combat Engineer Company (4 LMG+2HMG)



What I would like to know is how the tank and recce units of the Hungarian cavalry were to be organised. As you see there are some discrepancies between accounts regarding especially those elements of the cavalry.

Does anybody knows how it was to be?

Best regards,
Piotr
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hi

Post by borsod » 10 Nov 2004 12:13

This is the 1. huszárhadosztály, in 1944 june.
From: János Bene's book (A magyar királyi honvéd huszár tiszikar)
tkező volt:

Hadosztályparancsnokság (Nyíregyháza)
· 2. huszárezred-parancsnoksága (Szabadka)
- 2/II. huszárosztály (Szabadka)
- 2/I. huszárosztály (Szentes)
· 3. huszárezred-parancsnokság (Nagyvárad)
- 3/I. huszárosztály (Nagyvárad), kiv. 3/3 huszárszázad (Nagyszalonta)
- 3/II. huszárosztály (Munkács)
· 4. huszárezred (Nyíregyháza)
- 4/I. huszárosztály (Nyíregyháza)
- 4/II. huszárosztály (Nyíregyháza)
· 15. kerékpáros zászlóalj (Kiskunhalas)
· 1. lovas-harckocsi zászlóalj (Zenta)
· 3. felderítő zászlóalj (Szilágysomlyó)
· 1. lovastüzér-osztály (Nagyvárad)
· 3. gépvontatású tüzérosztály (Nyírbátor)
· 55. légvédelmi tüzérosztály (Szeged)
· 4. gépkocsizó utászszázad és hadihíd-oszlop (Zenta)
· 1. lovas-híradó század (Nyíregyháza)
· hadosztályvonat-parancsnokság (Szabadka)

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 02 Jan 2005 13:48

Concerning Hungarian Cavallery in WW2 ( in German language , maybe someone has the time to translate it) I recommend the info here :

http://panzer-archiv.marcof.de/forum/vi ... php?t=2272


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Post by hardi » 11 Feb 2005 19:57

There is a freshly new resource in this topic by Ungváry, Krisztián: A magyar honvédség a második világháborúban (Budapest: Osiris, 2004) - "The Hungarian Honvéd Army in the WWII".

He lists the following units:
(name, numbering, title)

Huszár Regiment 2. "Árpád fejedelem"
Huszár Regiment 3. "Gróf Nádasdy Ferenc"
Huszár Regiment 4. "Gróf Hadik András"
Bicycle Battalion 15.
Independent Armoured Battalion 1.
Recon battalion 3.
Cavalry Artillery Battalion 1. "Bem József"
Cavalry Artillery Battalion 2.
Motorized Artillery Battalion 3.
Motorized Medium Artillery Battery VII/1
Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion 55.
Assault Engineer Company 4.

From dec. 1944 attached the following:

Artillery Battalion 7.
Artillery Battalion 73.
Artillery Battalion 82.
Motorized Artillery Battalion IV.
Independent Engineer Battalion II.

I do not know that do I translate correctly the hungarian "osztály" int the names of artillery units - in german they are "abteilungen".

Cheers,

Janos

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Post by Panzerfaust XxX » 09 Mar 2005 01:55

Was this Division elite or special in anyway?

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