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Postby Michi » 04 Dec 2005 22:35

Thanks a lot!!!


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Postby Dani 2 » 04 Dec 2005 23:19

You're welcome! :)

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Postby Victor » 05 Dec 2005 08:49

Dani 2 wrote:For Divizia 1 Blindata (as a reserve on Army Group B): 515 officers, 589 NCO and 11092 men (as on 19th of November 1942 - According to: Mihail Vasile Ozunu, Petre Otu - Infranti si uitati - Romanii in batalia de la Stalingrad, "Ion Cristoiu " Printing House, Bucharest, 1999, ISBN 973-98249-0-0)


I have found slightly different numbers: 515 officers, 606 NCOs and 11,128 enlisted men. Source: Romanian Military Archives, Divizia 1 Blindata Fund, FIle No. 394, page 2

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Postby Orlov » 02 Jan 2006 21:38

VIVAT ROMANIAN PANZERS!!!
Long live Divizia 1 Blindata!!!


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Postby Victor » 03 Jan 2006 09:57

As usual, very interesting photos Orlov, which I haven't seen before.

However, one must note that Photos no. 2 and 4 are of tanks of the 2nd Tank Regiment, which wasn't under the division's comand during its operations.

Photo no. 3 is of several Malaxa UE artillery tractors, which were in use by many frontline divisions to tow 47 mm Schneider AT guns during the first year of war.

Thus only photo no. 1 seems to be of R-2 tanks of the 1st Armored Division, somewhere in 1941.

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Postby bzy16257 » 25 Mar 2006 02:54

General Franz Mattenklott and Antonescu. photos was taken in the Crimea(1942?).
Is affiliation of this Rumanian army understood ?

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Postby Victor » 25 Mar 2006 08:24

Thank you for sharing bzy16257, but if these photos are from your private collection, you must mention it. Otherwise, the forum rules (http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=6) require you to mention their source.

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Postby bzy16257 » 25 Mar 2006 10:04

source, photos which I all own...

"in Bago**** Krim ?" Is it the name of a place? :?

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A huge map of the Vorfeld Stalingrads (Nov. 42 - Feb. 43)

Postby Michi » 03 Jun 2006 23:54

Here is my huge map covering the Vorfeld von Stalingrad.
The map can be used for front-line drawings, for locating units and battle-groups; and other things.
The map
has a size of 4391 x 3100 PX
has a volume of 1,2 MB.

Originally it were 11 German general-staff maps of different size and facing.
My original map has an enormous volume (almost 13 MB!!); I have limited the detail rate to 20%,
to fit in this forum.

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Postby mappmel » 17 Jun 2006 12:10

Hi bzy16257,
The caption at the back of the middle photograph reads “Antonesku in Bagerowo, Krim”. Bagerovo was an important Luftwaffe airbase in the Crimea, during the siege Sevastopol.
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Postby Yuri » 11 Jul 2006 13:58

dragos wrote:Divisions organization

5th Infantry Division
8th Infantry Regiment
9th Infantry Regiment
32nd Infantry Regiment
5th Light Infantry Battalion
7th Artillery Regiment
28th Artillery Regiment
5th Signal Company
5th Reconnaissance Group
5th AT Company
5th AA Company
5th Pioneers Battalion
75mm AT Battery
in November added:
991st Infantry Battalion


Below data on 5-th Romanian infantry division as of October, 20, 1942 are given.
These data are received by scouts 5-th tank army.

The central Archive of the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation
Fund 331 Inventory 5041 File 24 Sheet 177

The characteristic of 5-th Infantry Division the Romanian as of October, 15, 1942.
The Romanian is part 5 AK.
It is generated in 1939 in BUZEU.
National structure - basically Romanians.
Before war from the USSR the division was personnel (professional).
After the losses suffered in fights near Odessa in 1941 (up to 65 %), the division on October, 20, 1941 has again gone in BUZEU where put itself the order and replenished with recruits till August, 1942:
8 IR - BUZEU,
32 IR - PLOEShTI,
7 AR - MIZIK,
28 AR - RYBNIKOV (on river SERET),
9 IR - it is not established.

Has gone on front on August, 20, 1942.
Route: by rail - BUZEU, BRAILOV, TIGIN, TIRASPOL, MARIUPOL, therefrom the division went a marching order and has arrived to area VERCHNE-FOMICHINSKY 30 ñåíòíÿáð 1942 and this very day is revealed before front of army (on a site with which borrowed earlier 79 ID Germans).

Into structure of a division enter: 8, 9, 32 IR; 7 and 28 AR; 5-th Pioneers a battalion; Reconnaissance Squadron; a signal battalion; AT company and AA company not established numbering.
The commander of a division - general PETRESCU for an inept management of a division in fights near Odessa has been displaced and command by a division has entered General de divizie (generals - divisions) MAZARINI which work is supervised by the German officer (his grade and a surname are not established).

Regiments oder about:
8 IR - colonel DUGE OREL
9 IR-
32 IR - colonel IONESCU NICOLAI
7 AR-
28 AR-

National structure of a division:
The Germans living in Romania - 5-6 %; small interest of Serbs and the gipsy from the western districts of Romania and Hungarians from Transylvania, other Romanians (in 7 company 8 IR there are Czechoslovaks and up to 20 % of Hungarians).
On motor transport of a division there is a recognition symbol - a pine branch in a rounded triangle.
According to captured, by machines 8 IR there is an inscription: « 8 regiment » (the data demand to check).

The organization of units of a division:

a)
Infantry regiments have on two battalions: AT company (8 - 12 guns calibre of 37 mm); company heavy mortars (120 mm - 4 mortars) and company managements.
In each battalion a platoon of management; three rifle and one machine-gun company.
Shooting company will consist from three rifle and one mortar of a platoon; in platoons four branches on 12 person in each branch and 1 manual machine gun.
Machine-gun a mouth has four machine-gun platoons on 4 heavy machine guns in everyone and one mortar of a platoon consisting of four or six 81 mm of mortars.
In total in infantry a shelf by the moment of arrival on front it was totaled from above 2000 person.

b)
Artillery regiments have on two battalions everyone. In total in one regiment 24-29 guns, people up to 1000 person, their detailed structure and the organization are not established.
Fighting and numerical structure of a division.
Was by the moment of arrival on front / Was present for October, 20, 1942
1. The soldier and officers … 10500 … 9271
2. Rifles … … … … … … … .7650 ….. 6650
3. Automatic devices … … …324 … … 323
4. Machine guns different …348 … … 340
5. Mortars different … … …48 … …. 48
6. Anti-tank guns … ….. 30 … ….. 29
7. Field guns … … … … … 52 … ….. 52
8. Antiaircraft guns … … …20 … … 20
Losses by 20.10.1942 +


In fights in loss, mainly, 8 and 32 IR at the front have had; 9 IR, taking place during fights on the approach, losses had no.
Material maintenance:
Supply by all kinds of a contentment passes through German command.
Soldiers receive bread of 500-600 gramme day, 30 gramme of oil, 40-50 gramme of canned food, 30-40 gramme of jam or honey. The hot food is given out once a day; in the morning and in the evening - coffee.
Commanders of platoons, as a rule, eat from soldier's kitchen and as well as soldiers are not pleased with a feed.
Regimentals at soldiers cloth, in most cases - old, even fragmentary (it is especial trousers and the bottom linen).
The footwear is adjusted badly, mass character has the phenomenon as polished legs at soldiers.

Miscellaneous:
The division is provided with the weapon and an ammunition completely.
Soldiers recruits have passed the accelerated combat training within two weeks; are trained insufficiently.
During training fighting cartridges for practical shooting were not given out to Hungarians because of fear, that they will shoot in the Romanian; many units during completion and fighting shooting did not pass preparation.

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udachi / Good luck!

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Before this document never and anywhere on was published.
It is My an archival find.

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Öåíòðàëüíûé Àðõèâ Ìèíèñòåðñòâà Îáîðîíû ÐÔ
Ôîíä 331 Îïèñü 5041 Ôàéë 24 Ëèñò 177

Õàðàêòåðèñòèêà 5-é ïåõîòíîé äèâèçèè ðóìûí ïî ñîñòîÿíèþ íà 15 îêòÿáðÿ 1942 ãîäà.
Âõîäèò â ñîñòàâ 5 AK ðóìûí.
Ñôîðìèðîâàíà â 1939 ãîäó â Áóçåó.
Ëè÷íûé ñîñòàâ – â îñíîâíîì ðóìûíû.
Äî âîéíû ñ ÑÑÑÐ äèâèçèÿ áûëà êàäðîâîé.
Ïîñëå ïîòåðü, ïîíåñ¸ííûõ â áîÿõ ïîä Îäåññîé â 1941 ãîäó (äî 65%), äèâèçèÿ 20 îêòÿáðÿ1941 ãîäà ñíîâà îòïðàâèëàñü â Áóçåó, ãäå ïðèâîäèëà ñåáÿ â ïîðÿäîê è äîóêîìïëåêòîâûâàëàñü ïðèïèñíûìè äî àâãóñòà ìåñÿöà 1942 ãîäà:
8 ÏÏ –Áóçåó,
32 ÏÏ – Ïëîåøòè,
7 ÀÏ – Ìèçèê,
28 ÀÏ – Ðûáíèêîâ (íà ðåêå Ñåðåò),
9 ÏÏ – íå óñòàíîâëåí.
Âûñòóïèëà íà ôðîíò 20 àâãóñòà 1942 ãîäà.
Ìàðøðóò ñëåäîâàíèÿ: ïî æåëåçíîé äîðîãå –Áóçåó, Áðàèëîâ, Òèãèí, Òèðàñïîëü, Ìàðèóïîëü, îòòóäà äèâèçèÿ øëà ïîõîäíûì ïîðÿäêîì è ïðèáûëà â ðàéîí Âåðõíå-Ôîìèõèíñêèé 30 ñåíòÿáðÿ 1942 ãîäà è â òîò æå äåíü âûÿâëåíà ïåðåä ôðîíòîì àðìèè (íà ó÷àñòêå, êîòîðûé çàíèìàëà ðàíüøå 79 ID íåìöåâ).
 ñîñòàâ äèâèçèè âõîäÿò: 8, 9, 32 IR; 7 è 28 AR; 3 ñàïåðíûé áàòàëüîí; ðàçâåäûâàòåëüíûé ýñêàäðîí; áàòàëüîí ñâÿçè; AT company è AA company íå óñòàíîâëåííîé íóìåðàöèè.
Êîìàíäèð äèâèçèè – ãåíåðàë ÏÅÒÐÅÑÊÓ çà íåóìåëîå ðóêîâîäñòâî äèâèçèåé â áîÿõ ïîä Îäåññîé áûë ñìåù¸í è â êîìàíäîâàíèå äèâèçèåé âñòóïèë ãåíåðàë-äèâèçèè ÌÀÇÀÐÈÍÈ, ðàáîòà êîòîðîãî êîíòðîëèðóåòñÿ íåìåöêèì îôèöåðîì (åãî ÷èí è ôàìèëèÿ íå óñòàíîâëåíû).
Ïîëêàìè êîìàíäóþò:
8 ÏÏ –ïîëêîâíèê Äóãå Îðåëü_
9 ÏÏ –
32 ÏÏ –ïîëêîâíèê Èîíåñêó Íèêîëàè
7 ÀÏ –
28 ÀÏ –
Íàöèîíàëüíûé ñîñòàâ äèâèçèè:
Íåìöåâ, ïðîæèâàþùèõ â Ðóìûíèè – 5-6%; íåáîëüøîé ïðîöåíò ñåðáîâ è öûãàí ñ çàïàäíûõ óåçäîâ Ðóìûíèè è âåíãðîâ èç Òðàíñèëüâàíèè, îñòàëüíûå ðóìûíû (â 7 ðîòå 8 ÏÏ èìåþòñÿ ÷åõîñëîâàêè è äî 20% âåíãðîâ).
Íà àâòîòðàíñïîðòå äèâèçèè èìååòñÿ îïîçíàâàòåëüíûé çíàê – ñîñíîâàÿ âåòêà â çàêðóãë¸ííîì òðåóãîëüíèêå.
Ïî äàííûì ïëåííûõ, íà ìàøèíàõ 8 ÏÏ èìååòñÿ íàäïèñü: «8 ïîëê» (äàííûå òðåáóþò ïðîâåðêå).
Îðãàíèçàöèÿ ÷àñòåé äèâèçèè:
a)
Ïåõîòíûå ïîëêè èìåþò ïî äâà áàòàëüîíà: ðîòà ÏÒÎ (8 – 12 îðóäèé êàëèáðà 37 ìì); ðîòà òÿæ¸ëûõ ìèíîì¸òîâ (120 ìì – 4 ìèíîì¸òà) è ðîòà óïðàâëåíèÿ.
 êàæäîì áàòàëüîíå âçâîä óïðàâëåíèÿ; òðè ñòðåëêîâûå è îäíà ïóëåì¸òíàÿ ðîòû.
Ñòðåëêîâàÿ ðîòà ñîñòîèò èç òð¸õ ñòðåëêîâûõ è îäíîãî ìèíîì¸òíîãî âçâîäîâ; âî âçâîäàõ ÷åòûðå îòäåëåíèÿ ïî 12 ÷åëîâåê â êàæäîì îòäåëåíèè è 1 ðó÷íîé ïóëåì¸ò.
Ïóëåì¸òíàÿ ðîòà èìååò ÷åòûðå ïóëåì¸òíûõ âçâîäà ïî 4 ñòàíêîâûõ ïóëåì¸òà â êàæäîì è îäèí ìèíîì¸òíûé âçâîä, ñîñòîÿùèé èç ÷åòûð¸õ èëè øåñòè 81 ìì ìèíîì¸òîâ.
Âñåãî â ïåõîòíîì ïîëêó ê ìîìåíòó ïðèáûòèÿ íà ôðîíò íàñ÷èòûâàëîñü ñâûøå 2000 ÷åëîâåê.
á)
Àðòèëëåðèéñêèå ïîëêè èìåþò ïî äâà äèâèçèîíà êàæäûé. Âñåãî â îäíîì ïîëêó 24–29 îðóäèé, ëþäåé äî 1000 ÷åëîâåê, ïîäðîáíûé èõ ñîñòàâ è îðãàíèçàöèÿ íå óñòàíîâëåíû.
Áîåâîé è ÷èñëåííûé ñîñòàâ äèâèçèè.
Áûëî ê ìîìåíòó ïðèáûòèÿ íà ôðîíò / Èìåëîñü íà 20 îêòÿáðÿ 1942 ãîäà
1. Ñîëäàò è îôèöåðîâ…………… 10500… 9271
2. Âèíòîâêè……………………….7650….. 6650
3. Àâòîìàòû………………………324…… 323
4. Ïóëåì¸òû ðàçíûå………………348……340
5. Ìèíîì¸òû ðàçíûå…………….. 48…….. 48
6. Ïðîòèâîòàíêîâûõ ïóøåê…….. 30…….. 29
7. Ïîëåâûõ îðóäèé……………..52…….. 52
8. Çåíèòíûõ îðóäèé ……………20………20
Ïîòåðè ê 20.10.1942 +


 áîÿõ íà ôðîíòå ïîíåñëè ïîòåðè, ãëàâíûì îáðàçîì, 8 è 32 ÏÏ; 9 ÏÏ, íàõîäèâøåéñÿ âî âðåìÿ áî¸â íà ïîäõîäå, ïîòåðü íå èìåë.
Ìàòåðèàëüíîå îáåñïå÷åíèå:
Ñíàáæåíèå âñåìè âèäàìè äîâîëüñòâèÿ ïðîõîäèò ÷åðåç íåìåöêîå êîìàíäîâàíèå.
Ñîëäàòû ïîëó÷àþò õëåáà 500–600 ãðàìì â äåíü, 30 ãðàìì ìàñëà, 40–50 ãðàìì êîíñåðâîâ, 30-40 ãðàìì ïîâèäëà èëè ì¸äó. Ãîðÿ÷àÿ ïèùà âûäà¸òñÿ îäèí ðàç â äåíü; óòðîì è âå÷åðîì – êîôå.
Êîìàíäèðû âçâîäîâ, êàê ïðàâèëî, ïèòàþòñÿ èç ñîëäàòñêîé êóõíè è òàê æå êàê è ñîëäàòû íå äîâîëüíû ïèòàíèåì.
Îáìóíäèðîâàíèå ó ñîëäàò ñóêîííîå, â áîëüøèíñòâå ñëó÷àåâ – ñòàðîå, äàæå ðâàíîå (îñîáåííî áðþêè è íèæíåå áåëü¸).
Îáóâü ïîäîãíàíà ïëîõî, íàò¸ðòîñòü íîã ïðèíèìàåò ìàññîâûé õàðàêòåð.

Ðàçíîå:
Îðóæèåì è áîåïðèïàñàìè äèâèçèÿ îáåñïå÷åíà ïîëíîñòüþ.
Ñîëäàòû ïðèïèñíèêè ïðîøëè óñêîðåííóþ áîåâóþ ïîäãîòîâêó â òå÷åíèå äâóõ íåäåëü; îáó÷åíû íåäîñòàòî÷íî.
Âî âðåìÿ îáó÷åíèÿ âåíãðàì áîåâûå ïàòðîíû äëÿ ïðàêòè÷åñêèõ ñòðåëüá íå âûäàâàëèñü èç-çà îïàñåíèÿ, ÷òî îíè áóäóò ñòðåëÿòü â ðóìûí; ìíîãèå ïîäðàçäåëåíèÿ â ïåðèîä óêîìïëåêòîâàíèÿ è ïîäãîòîâêè áîåâûõ ñòðåëüá íå ïðîõîäèëè.

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Postby Yuri » 11 Jul 2006 15:56

David C. Clarke wrote:Troop Strength Third Army, November 19, 1942:
I Corps (7, 11, Infantry)
II Corps (9, 14, Infantry)
IV Corps (13, 15 Infantry, 1 Cav.)
V Corps (5, 6, Infantry)
XLVIII Panzer Corps (22 Pz., 1st Armored, 7 Cav.)

155,492 Romanians
11,211 Germans


It not absolutely correct data.

Actually the picture was such:

November 17, 1942

Troop Strength Third Army, November 17, 1942:
I Corps (7, 11, Infantry)
II Corps (9, 14, Infantry)
IV Corps (13 Inf. Div, 1 Cav. Div, one regiment 15 Inf. Div.)
V Corps (5, 6, Infantry)

Reserves Third Army: 7 Cav. Div (settlement Pronin), 15 ID (settlement Perelasovsky)

155,492 Romanians
11,211 Germans

These 11,211 Germans have no any attitude to 22 Pz. D. They are Germans from structure of other German units.
They from structure of those German units (mainly AT Abt. and infantry platoons), which have been dispersed between the Romanian positions to give to defense the Romanian the big stability.

Reserves HeerGr. "B" on site Third Army the Romanian:
XLVIII Panzer Corps: 22 Pz.Div. (Petrovka), 1st Arm. Div. (Perelasovsky), 354 Inf. Reg. 213 Inf. Div.(Morozovskaja)

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November 18, 1942

Troop Strength Third Army, November 18, 1942:
I Corps (11, Infantry)
II Corps (9, 14, Infantry)
IV Corps (13, 1 Cav., one regiment 15 ID)
V Corps (5, 6, Infantry)

Reserves Third Army: 7 Cav. Div (settlement Pronin), 15 Inf. Div (settlement Perelazovsky), 7 Inf. Div. (To the south from settlements Gromov, Rybniy)


On November, 18, 1942 7 Inf. Div it has been allocated from front in rear, in a reserve of 3-rd army.
Everyone infantry company 7 Inf. Div. has received on one platoon of Germans.

The data about 7 Inf.Div. are received from the Romanian officers from this division which have been captured on a boundary of the river the Krivaja (Curve, Kriusha).

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udachi / Good luck!

Yuri

P. S.
Russian soldiers have grasped documents of a staff 7 Cav. Div.
From the seized documents it is visible, that this division was not a cavalry literally this word.
The name "cavalry" was kept by tradition. Actually this division was an infantry division, instead of a cavalry.

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Postby Yuri » 11 Jul 2006 22:00

In a strip of front where defense of the opponent according to the plan "Uranus" was broken through 5-n by Tank Army, Romanian 3-n the army had the following forces.

The central Archive of the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation
Fund 331 Inventory 5041 File 24 Sheet 176

Regular, battle and numerical structure of a German and Romanian division / infantry /

German ID:
Human structure - 14.742
Rifles, carbines - 7400
Pistols - 2877
Pistols - machine guns - 705
Manual machine guns - 454
Heavy machine guns - 112
Anti-tank a rifle - 90
Mortars of 50 and 81 mm - 141
37 mm of guns - 75
Artillery guns and howitzers - 74

Romanian ID

Human structure - 17715
Rifles - 13833
Revolvers - 2979
Manual machine guns - 384
Heavy machine guns - 188
Mortars - 60 mm - 54
Mortars of 81,4 mm - 18
Anti-tank guns of 37 mm - 18
Anti-tank guns of 47 mm - 36
Easy guns - 48
Easy howitzers - 24

The note: the Data on the organization both fighting and numerical structure Italian ID I have no.

The chief of the Prospecting Department 5th Tank Army
The major /FOMIN/

The central Archive of the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation
Fund 331 Inventory 5041 File 24 Sheet 176 revers

The sheet
Fighting and numerical structure of the opponent before front "X" for October, 20, 1942

Divisions...... .........Soldier.............................................Automatic.....................Machine
and regiments....... and officers............... Rifles................. devices.........................guns
34IR 11ID...... ........3411.......................2389.......................153.......................130
........ 9ID....... .......10032.......................7166......................458.......................392
.… … 14ID......... .....8198.........................6160.......................450.......................333
...8IR 5ID ..............2400.........................1700.......................124.......................87
Total:......... .........24041........................17415....................1185......................942


Divisions.....
and regiments.. Mortars....... ...........AT guns............ Field guns......... AA guns
3IR 11ID........... 34.........................7.........................25.......................4
........ 9ID....... ...102.......................24.......................52.......................12
… ...14ID....... ....92........................23........................50.......................12
8IR 5ID ….... ....29........................10........................25.......................4
Total:........ ........257.......................64.......................151......................32


The note:
1. The sheet is made according to the Prospecting Department of 21-st Army where operative reserves are not taken into account
2. All Romanian ID have shelfs in the structure on two battalions.
3. 63IR 9ID at the front it was not marked. It is necessary to count, that it is deduced from structure ID
4. On this site it was not marked corps artillery.
5. All ID the Romanian basically are similar to the characteristic 5 ID

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udachi / Good luck!

Yuri

P. S.
The document is published first time.
Before this document never and anywhere on was published.
It is My an archival find.

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Postby Yuri » 12 Jul 2006 15:09

Everything, that is written in the European sources (memoirs, articles, historical works and so on) about force and
actions XLVIII Pz. Corps (22 Pz. Div., 1 Arm. Div., 354 IR 213 ID) at attempt to reflect impact of Russian troops
of 5-th tank army, it is full nonsense.

All stories about imaginary weakness of forces 48 Pz. Corps have no anything the common that took place actually.

For example, as of morning on November, 23, 1942 German 22 Pz. Div. had not less than 119 tanks.

Thus, one tank batallion (in quantity of 50 tanks) and 129 IR (mot.) were in an encirclement in region Bolshaja Donschinka,
Medvezhij, Malaja Donschinka.

Others 69 tanks (their which 68 tanks were serviceable, and one faulty) were at this time region of settlement
Osery (to the south of river Kurtlak and to a southeast from Petrovka).
These tanks had no some fuel. Except for tanks here there were 156 more motor vehicles.
Taking place in Osery Germans expected, when transport planes will deliver to them fuel.

In it the moment this German group was exposed from two sides of attack Russian. About the west has struck
55 Cav. Div/8th Cav. Corps, and from the east 112 Cav. Div/8th Cav. Corps and
8th SMcR (Separate Motorcycle Regiment).
This attack appeared Germans full unexpectedness. Escaping from Osery German officers had not
time even to dress the overcoats.

Moreover, Germans had not time to warn the pilots that all German technics in Osery appeared in hands Russian.
Nothing suspecting, German pilots have thrown out on Osery special containers with capacities for gasoline.
After that from planes 10 parachuters have jumped out.
When German parachuters have landed, they at once were taken prisoner to Russian.

From these parachuters two persons had a grade of the officer, and eight person were civil persons.
On seen the civil personnel has arrived for repair of faulty technics.
Eight civil Russian have shot all, and two German officers have sent on a motorcycle
in an army headquarters of 5-th tank army.
In prospecting a staff division of 5-th Tank Army these German officers have told that they
should make after a landing.


On this map (excuse, but a map Russian) it is possible to see a place where tanks 22 Pz. Div have been grasped.

http://www.livinghistory.ru//index.php? ... st&id=3530


And this report of the commander of 8-th Cav. Corps general - major Dudko in whom it is informed
capture of tanks 22 Pz. Div

Central Archive Ministersva of Defenses of the Russian Federation
Fund 331 Inventory 5041 File 14 sheet 364


To the commander 5ÒÀ

To general - lieutenant Romanenko

1. On November, 24 1942 units 8th Cavalry Corps /55 and 112 CDs/, having beaten out the opponent
from ferries on river Chir on site Warlamovskij, Osinovskij, Arzhanovskij, have broken the grouping of
the opponent following through settlements Slaboda Russkaja, Osery.
As a result of fight the opponent has lost up to 700 person killed, wounded and captured.
69 serviceable tanks, up to 200 motor vehicles and up to 60 motorcycles are seized.
All motor transport is left in area Osery for the lack of gasoline.

The commander 8 CC the general - major /Dudko/

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In a strip of attack of 5-th tank army its opponents (Germans and Romanians) had enough forces to detain Russian's attack.
Except for those forces that there were in the front of defense (have been shown earlier) Romanians had here
in a reserve: 15 Inf. Div, 7 Cav. Div
Within three day could approach: 7 Inf. Div.
Germans had: XLVIII Panzer Corps: 22 Pz. Div., 1st Arm. Div., 354 Inf. Reg. 213 Inf. Div.
Total: 8 divisions, including 2 tank divisions
Defeat has taken place not because 5-th tank army had what that overwhelming superiority.
Defeat has taken place because command XLVIII Panzer Corps has not truly estimated conditions and,
accordingly, operated not truly.
And, instead of fairly recognizing the mistake, the German military leaders have thought up a history
from the category of how geese have rescued Ancient Rome.
With that only a difference, that under the version of the German military leaders
in the late autumn of 1942 field mice Russian have helped.
Russian think now above such problem: where it is better to put a monument to field mice - in Moscow or Stalingrad.


/
Udachi / Good Luck

Yuri


P. S.

This document is published for the first time.
It is My archival find.

Yuri

P. P. S.

I do not know as will correctly show forces of Russian 5-th that army for November, 19, 1942.
Here, on this thread, or on a thread:
Axis History Forum » WW2 in Eastern Europe » Soviet Fronts strengths: Overview.

But that thread, like, is intended for Soviet Fronts strengths.
How it is necessary to make correctly?
Somebody will prompt.

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Postby Yuri » 13 Jul 2006 05:50

Has found out still some data about 5 Inf. Div.

The central Archive of the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation
Fund 331 Inventory 5041 File 24 sheet 140
Prospecting report No 22
Prospecting Department of the Staff "AQUARIUM" * by 21 o'clock 00 min. on November, 23, 1942
….
Colonel NANU - the chief of artillery 5 Inf. Div., is seized a captivity on November, 23
in area VERCHNE-FOMIKHINSKIJ. Has shown: in structure of 5 Inf. Div enter 7 and 29 Art. Reg.
The profit on front, having shelfs on two artillery battalions.
On arms a regiment were available: 12 guns of calibre of 75 mm and 12 guns of calibre of 100 mm.
The regiments equipment is broken and lost. From guns remained all no more than two batteries.
….

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* - "AQUARIUM" - a code name of a staff of 5-th Tank Army.

/
udachi / Good Luck

Yuri


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