Romanian army at battle of Stalingrad

panzzer · Post by **panzzer** » 18 Aug 2002 13:23

By the begining of Operation Uranus all the hevy was suported by the Romanian third and fourth army!,they had no chanse again the Russian army!
But it,s true that in the pocket of Stalingrad was and some romanians battalions ? or some
romanian soldiers?

Andy H · Post by **Andy H** » 18 Aug 2002 18:48

The main Romanian units trapped within Stalingrad were the 1st Cavalry and 20th Infantry Divisions

Andy from the Shire

Smert-Fashistam · Post by **Smert-Fashistam** » 18 Aug 2002 22:05

were Hungarian divisions involved at taht particular battle?

JLEES · Post by **JLEES** » 19 Aug 2002 11:58

Although there has been much critusism of the Romanian Army for their performance at Stalingrad, due to their poor equipment, organization and quick disintegration of force, they were placed in a position along the front where they couldn't successed. Positioning them on both flanks of the German Sixth Army, then ignoring intelligence reports of Soviets forces massing against them was not one of the Fuhrer's wisest ideas. Overlooking their distrust of Hungary during the war and how that affected some of their unit dispositions, when you look at the large numbers of troops Romania committed to the Eastern Front and the casualties they sustained throughout the conflict, they were truly one of Nazi-Germany's best allies.
James

de-gouden-ridder · Post by **de-gouden-ridder** » 19 Aug 2002 21:14

Do not forget: not only German- and Romanian troops were trapped, but also flemish (from Brussels) OT was trapped in der Kessel. (

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Victor · Post by **Victor** » 20 Aug 2002 09:26

Only 3,000 Romanians from the two divisions survived and were taken prisoners inside Stalingrad.

For more info http://www.wwii.home.ro/stalin.htm

Andy H · Post by **Andy H** » 20 Aug 2002 20:02

No major Hungarian units were involved in the actual battle for Stalingrad itself but the Hungarian 2nd Army held the far northern flank which contributed to the eventual collapse of the German southern front.

Andy from the Shire

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 20 Aug 2002 20:25

The 2nd Hungarian Army was, more exactly, near Voronezh.

Csaba Becze · Post by **Csaba Becze** » 21 Aug 2002 17:28

South of Voronezh, between the 2nd German and 8th Italian Army.
The Hungarian Army was attacked from the Uriw bridgehead (12 January 1943), from Schutsje bridgehead (14 January 1943), from their right flank (behind the Italians were also Soviet troops, just the Alpini corps were operational in January) and from their left flank - the 2nd German Army retreated, but they didnt permit to retreat for Hungarian III Army Corps (If I remember correctly, the 9th Light Division standed near Don till 29 January - the Soviets were in their back since at least a week)

Csaba

Milan Szekelyhidi · Post by **Milan Szekelyhidi** » 22 Aug 2002 22:28

2nd Hungarian Army at Don river in 12 January 1943.

HDS = hadsereg = army
hdt = hadtest = army corps
ho = hadosztály = division
k. ho = könnyû hadosztály = light division
ezred = regiment
pc. = páncélos = panzer
né = német = German
2. né. HDS = 2. német hadsereg = 2nd German Army
2. magyar hadsereg = 2nd Hungarian Army
8. olasz HDS = 8. olasz hadsereg = 8th Italian Army
40. Szovjet HDS = 40. Szovjet hadsereg = 40th Soviet Army
18. Szovjet önálló löv. hdt = 18. Szovjet önálló lövész hadtest = 18th Soviet independent rifleman army corps

jelmagyarázat = legend
hadsereg = army
hadtest = army corps
hadosztály = division
pság = parancsnokság = command
ezred védõállás = regiment defensive position
HDS = hadsereg = army
hdt = hadtest = army corps
ho = hadosztály = division
sávhatár = frontier-line
vasútvonal = railway line
Szovjet hídfõállás = Soviet bridgehead

Csak a hadseregcsoport-pság külön engedélyével alkalmazható =
It can applied only with army-group command's private permission

Milan

panzzer · Post by **panzzer** » 23 Aug 2002 04:31

In Stalingrad how many germans troops was , and why Paulus dont had retreat when he was
helped ! becouse he had knowed taht he had no more canse , he was very stupid german
general! Even if Hitler had ordoned him to stand!

sorry about my english

panzzer · Post by **panzzer** » 23 Aug 2002 04:35

and how many russian soldiers ?????????

Maresal-06 · Post by **Maresal-06** » 23 Aug 2002 22:43

On 24th November 1942, general von Paulus assembled a force of 220 panzers with the hope that Hitler would approve a counterstrike in the south-western sector, to liberate the axis forces from Soviet encirclement... But Hitler refused saying:

"Wayt your liberation from outside. Just keep the city as much as you can"...

Actually, Paulus received very little help... Paulus was not stupid, he just executed the Fuhrer's commands... In the hope that would be freed.

Maresal-06 · Post by **Maresal-06** » 23 Aug 2002 22:50

In Stalingrad, were trapped 21 German divisions - 3 armored and 2 motorized and 2 Romanian divisions. A total of aproximately 250.000 men.
In the town were also aproximately 50.000 Soviets, who were fighting a guerilla warfare, supported by a super heavy artillery. But all round the city, a rought total of 2.000.000 Soviets were reinforcing their comrades in Stalingrad.

Andy H · Post by **Andy H** » 24 Aug 2002 11:29

Milan

What publication did you scan the map from?

Andy from the Shire

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