BULGARIAN Army in 1920s-1930s (organization, equipment)

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#241

Post by BIGpanzer » 15 Apr 2006, 17:00

It will be interesting to know something about the political relations between Bulgaria and Romania, Bulgaria and Turkey in 1920s-1930s.....

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Post by BIGpanzer » 24 Jul 2006, 18:25

Just found by chance some interesting photos:
1) Bulgarian military musicians (1930 ) - http://www.satiche.org.uk/vinbbp/phot3235.jpg
2) Steyr-XVI car (1928-1929) of Bulgarian Tsar Boris III - http://www.autogallery.org.ru/k/s/2829s ... III_AQ.jpg
3) Bulgarian fighters PZL P.24 purchased in Poland (1937) - http://airforce.hit.bg/Images/PZL24.jpg
4) Bulgarian pilots (1937) - http://www.rathbonemuseum.com/BULGARIA/ ... 1937_s.jpg
5) Bulgarian PZL.43B "Chajka" light bomber purchased in Poland (1939) - http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~autogun/BR36BLG1.jpg
http://airforce.hit.bg/Images/PZL43B.jpg


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Post by BIGpanzer » 05 Aug 2006, 14:55

Does any info about Bulgarian fortifications of inter-war period (along Romanian, Yugoslavian, Greek or Turkish borders, Black Sea coastal defense) exist?
I know that Bulgarians didn't build any fortification lines as many other nations did after WWI, only a very few bunkers were build during the inter-war period.

As I've already mentioned here Bulgaria possesed 5 fortified positions (Sofia, Shumen, Vidin as the main cities of the country and 2 coastal - Varna and Burgas ports), but those were built before Balkan wars/WWI and even earlier (during the Russian-Turkish wars of XVIII-XIX c.c.).

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Post by dibo » 13 Dec 2006, 23:39

Everyone who is interested in this topic and can read Bulgarian should be definitely interested in this book:

"Krapchanski, etc. Short Review of the Order of Battle, Organization and Mobilization of the Bulgarian Army 1878-1944" with maps, tables and schemes. 248 pages. State Military Publishing House. Sofia 1961

The book is availabe here:

http://forum.boinaslava.net/showpost.ph ... ostcount=8

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Post by BIGpanzer » 17 Dec 2006, 19:58

Thanks a lot for the excellent link, dear Dibo!

Just today I read the short additional info about Bulgarian navy of 1939-1940 and I have one question:
Do you have more detailed info about Bulgarian motor-sailing training vessels "Simeon" (600 t, 2x75mm + 4x37mm guns) and "Assen" (built in 1912, 240 t, 7 knots, 2x65mm + 2 MGs)?

What was the flagship of Bulgarian navy - one of four torpedo boats of "Derzky"-class?

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Post by dibo » 17 Dec 2006, 20:17

Assen:
http://vimpel.boinaslava.net/index.php?module=bg_Asen2

No ship was designated as a flagship AFAIK.

Simeon?! There was no such ship since 1913 when the old steamer, bearing that name, was sunk.

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Post by BIGpanzer » 17 Dec 2006, 20:28

Dibo wrote:
Simeon?! There was no such ship since 1913 when the old steamer, bearing that name, was sunk.
Really? Interesting, as Taschenbuch der Kriegsflotten, 1938 mentioned "Simeon" the same did Les Flottes de Combat, 1938 -
Bulgarian Black Sea Navy consisted of four 100 t patrol boats (previous torpedo boats) "Smeli", "Hrabri", "Derzki", "Strogi"; two 77 t motor patrol boats (ex-French) "Belomorets", "Chernomorets"; one submarine (German UB-45, was raised off Varna in 1936 - we've discussed this already, BP) and two motor-sailing training vessels 600 t "Simeon" and 240 t "Assen"..............
PS. Many thanks for the excellent site about Bulgarian navy 8O - probably, the single one in Internet! I will try to read it all.

PS2. How do you think from which period (WW1?) is this nice photo of torpedo boat "Hrabri"?
http://vimpel.boinaslava.net/images/pic_Hrabri.jpg
AFAIK torpedo tubes were removed after WWI according to the Treaty of Neuilly.

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Post by Woj » 17 Feb 2007, 22:57

BIGpanzer wrote:3) Bulgarian fighters PZL P.24 purchased in Poland (1937) - http://airforce.hit.bg/Images/PZL24.jpg
...purchased in Poland (1936)
BIGpanzer wrote:5) Bulgarian PZL.43B "Chajka" light bomber purchased in Poland (1939) - http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~autogun/BR36BLG1.jpg
http://airforce.hit.bg/Images/PZL43B.jpg
...Bulgarian PZL.43A,,, purchased in Poland (1938)

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Post by BIGpanzer » 18 Feb 2007, 01:00

Thanks for the small corrections of the links above, Woj!

I forget a little bit this thread so, please, remind me - is the well-known info that Bulgaria ordered 14 PZL P-24B [modification of PZL P-24A with differ landing gear spat and 50 kg of bombs +4x7.9mm MGs] is correct? AFAIK PZL P-24 were in the Bulgarian service since 12.1937 officially [in 1942 P-24s were transferred to training units].
Wikipedia mentions that 14 PZL P-24B were purchased by Bulgaria in 1937-1938.

As for PZL.43 - my sources give the following info: PZL P-43A, B - export version for Bulgaria with Gnome-Rhone 14Kfs (920 hp) and Gnome-Rhone 14N01, correspondingly. Had elongated fuselage and modified cabin; armament - 2x7.9mm + 2x7.7mm [4x7.9mm according to another sources]. 54 were produced from which 5 were used by Polish Air Forces, and 45 were delivered to Bulgaria in 1937-1939 [ http://samoloty.webd.pl/polskie/p43.htm ]. AFAIK Bulgaria received 12 PZL P-43 at first, then Bulgarians ordered 36 more [but with engine Gnome-Rhone 14N01, PZL P-43B] and order increased up to the delivery of 42 bombers till summer 1939. But Polish AF took finished P-43B after German occupation of Czechoslovakia in March 1939, nevertheless, 33 bombers were sent to Bulgaria till September 1939, the rest 9 bombers were ready to railroad transportation 01 September 1939 PZL.43 were in the Bulgarian service since 12.1937 officially [removed from service in the end of 1945].

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Post by Woj » 18 Feb 2007, 16:25

BIGpanzer wrote:I forget a little bit this thread so, please, remind me
This tread, my post from 6th January, 2005. :)

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Post by BIGpanzer » 18 Feb 2007, 20:45

Thanks :wink:

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Post by BIGpanzer » 30 Apr 2007, 02:07

I found some additional interesting info about Bulgarian warships of inter-war period [some info is from Weyers Taschenbuch, 1941].

Torpedo tubes (1x2-450mm) of Bulgarian [French-built type "Normand" 97.5 tons, 1907-1908] torpedo boats "Derzki", "Hrabri", "Smeli", "Strogi" should be removed according to Neuilly peace treaty of 1919. "Derzki", "Hrabri" and "Strogi" were repaired in the end of 1919, torpedo tubes were removed and mine sweeps were installed. "Smeli" was put in operation again during the winter 1923-1924. But torpedo tubes were installed on those torpedo boats [which served in Sea trade-police service in order of Ministry of railroads, post and telegraph since 12.1920] in secrecy for a time (over the period of range practices), starting with 1925. The same time the secret naval HQ was established in War Ministry of Bulgaria. In 1934 all 4 torpedo boats were modernized again - 1x2-450mm torpedo tubes were installed again, 2x1-47mm guns Schneider were replaced with 2x1-37mm/83 German semi-automatic guns C/30.
http://vimpel.boinaslava.net/images/pic_Druzki_1935.jpg
http://vimpel.boinaslava.net/images/pic_Hrabri.jpg
http://vimpel.boinaslava.net/images/pic ... remont.jpg

Six patrol boats were purchased by Bulgaria from France in Istanbul in 1921.
24.10.1921 two patrol boats "Belomorec" and "Chernomorec" (anti-submarine vessels with wooden hull type "SC" 77-87 tons, built in USA for France in 1917 as C-27 and C-80) were accepted in Istanbul by Bulgarian crews - they had armament 1x57mm or 1x76mm gun, 2 MGs, mine sweeps; in 1928 both patrol boats of that type were transfered to Danube and rearmed with 1x47mm gun + 2 MGs.
http://vimpel.boinaslava.net/images/bg_chasseur.jpg
http://vimpel.boinaslava.net/images/pic_Belomorec.jpg
http://vimpel.boinaslava.net/images/pic ... c_1933.jpg
In 1921 four patrol boats "Minaor", "Conduktor Dokuzanov", "Kapitan-leytenant K. Minkov" and "Vzriv" (patrol boats 40 tons, built in Canada for France in 1917) were accepted in Istanbul also. "Minaor" sank at Danube in 1932 (additional info about the accident, please!) and "Conductor Dokuzanov" was removed from service in 1934.
http://vimpel.boinaslava.net/images/Vedette.jpg
http://vimpel.boinaslava.net/images/pic ... e_1928.jpg
http://vimpel.boinaslava.net/images/pic ... Minkov.jpg

Naval Forces of Bulgaria were recreated in 1937 as Sea and river defense [Sea division consisting of Black Sea and Danube flotillas] and 31.12.1938 Bulgaria officially declined to obey military restrictions of Neuilly treaty.
The same time Bulgaria ordered 3 submarines [order from 24.05.1939, submarine project of Germaniaweft in Kiel - 413 tons with 5x533mm torpedo tubes] and 5 torpedo boats in Germany [order from 15.12.1938, 5 torpedo boats of S-2 type of Lurssen company, cost - 35.4 milliones of leva], but Bulgaria could receive only 2 patrol boats till the beginning of WWII. Those torpedo boats (56.4/63.35 tons) had less powerful diesels (3x635 hp) and lesser speed (33 knots) than German prototypes; No. 1 and No. 2 were delivered to Bulgaria in April and July 1939 [by Bulgarian steamers "Sofia" and "Beograd"], No. 3 was confiscated by Germans 29.09.1939 [given to Bulgaria 07.1941], No. 4 and No. 5 were not finished. The production of submarines for Bulgaria was not started because WWII began and contract was canceled by Germany 10.06.1940.
http://vimpel.boinaslava.net/images/pic ... 1939_2.jpg
http://vimpel.boinaslava.net/images/pic ... 1939_3.jpg
http://vimpel.boinaslava.net/images/pic ... 201939.jpg
http://vimpel.boinaslava.net/images/Lursen_1939.jpg

Training ship "Asen", 240 tons was ex-Soviet motor sailing vessel "Utrish" (ex-"Nestor Letopisets", ex-"Ivan Burghardt"), which was stolen by emigrants in May 1925 and confiscated by Bulgarian government. The ship was given to Varna fishing school in 1927 as training ship "Uspekh", accepted by Bulgarian Navy 20.04.1931 as training ship "Asen". In 1936 the diesel [135 hp] from raised German submarine UB-45 was installed.
http://vimpel.boinaslava.net/images/pic_Asen2.jpg

Motor yacht "Vyara" [built in Germany] was presented by Italy to Bulgarian czar Boris III in 1934. Later Bulgarian motor boats - mine sweepers of project 501/type MChK were designed on basis of "Vyara" and built [13 copies, 1941-1945] by naval workshops in Varna.
http://vimpel.boinaslava.net/images/pic_MSB.jpg

Bulgaria used 3 river tow steamers "Vasil Levski", "Kiril Popov" and "Iskur" at Danube [built in Italy in 1925, 241 tons]. "Iskar" was used as patrol ship of Danube police services since 1928.
http://vimpel.boinaslava.net/images/pic_iskar_1925.jpg
Also Bulgaria used 2 river tow steamers "Hristo Botev" and "Cibar" [built in Germany in 1906, 106 tons] at Danube.

Bulgarian Navy used several motor boats of WWI period as small mine-sweepers at Black Sea -"Nesebar" [purchased in Russia in 1916, 18 tons], "Emona" [18 tons] and "Balik" [14 tons].
Also steam-boat "Liliya" [purchased in France in 1909, 16 tons], motor-boat "Dobrotic" [small mine-sweeper purchased in Germany in 1916, 12 tons], motor-boat "Kalacerka" [small mine-sweeper purchased in Germany in 1916, 8 tons] were used at Black Sea.
http://vimpel.boinaslava.net/images/pic ... rs_WWI.jpg

Yacht-club in Ruse had motor-boat "Letyashchata Nimfa" which could be used as patrol boat.

Motor sailing vessels "Czar Boris" and "Ustrem" could be mobilized during the war and used as mine-sweepers at Black Sea. Cargo steamer "Balgariya" could be used as mine-layer.
Auxiliary vessels of Bulgarian Navy - ship "Kamchiya" [built in UK in 1883, purchased in 1906, 105 tons; used as mine-layer/police vessel at Black Sea till 1930 and then as hydrographic ship at Danube] and training sailing yacht "Strela" [built in France in 1886, purchased in 1890, 28 tons; used by Sea School]
http://vimpel.boinaslava.net/images/pic ... a_1925.jpg
http://vimpel.boinaslava.net/images/pic ... 1925_2.jpg
http://vimpel.boinaslava.net/images/pic_Strela.jpg

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Post by BIGpanzer » 02 May 2007, 15:51

Important events in Bulgarian history during the describing period and some questions.

1. 09.06.1923 - military coup d'etat in Bulgaria [organized by right wing factions of the Military League, the National Alliance, and the army led by Aleksandar Tsankov], prime minister Aleksandar Stamboliyski was dismissed, tortured and killed 15.06.1923.
What Bulgarian army units participated and supported coup d'etat? Did combats between Bulgarian army/police units take place in June 1923?

2. 10.1925 - Greek army invaded Bulgaria as the reply on border incident when Greek soldier was killed. Bulgaria asked for help to the League of Nations.
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=48717

3. 15.12.1925 - Greece agreed to pay fine for the military incident with Bulgaria according to the decision of the League of Nations.

4. 04.01.1926 - the moderate government was formed in Bulgaria. The amnesty for all political prisoners [except communists] was declared.

5. 13.01.1928 - the allied forces left Bulgaria.
What did allied forces [amount of soldiers, units, location] stay in Bulgaria after the end of WWI and peace treaty of Neuille [27.11.1919]?

6. 06.03.1929 - Bulgaria and Turkey concluded the friendship treaty.
What was the location of Bulgarian army units near the border with Turkey? Did any military defensive plans in the case of possible incidents with Turkey exist in Bulgarian HQ?

7. 08.02.1932 - Bulgaria resumed to pay war reparations.
What was the reason that Bulgaria stopped to pay WWI reparations for some period of time?

8. 12.06.1934 - the activity of all Bulgarian political parties was forbiden.

9. 24.01.1937 - Bulgaria and Yugoslavia signed the treaty of eternal peace.
What was the location of Bulgarian army units near the border with Yugoslavia? How many local border incidents with Yugoslavia [Bulgarian VMRO members organized them often] took place in 1920s-1930s? Did the Bulgarian army or border units try to prevent such incidents?

10. 31.07.1938 - Bulgaria signed non-aggression pact with Greece and other countries of Balkan Entente [Turkey, Romania and Yugoslavia], which was disrupted by Bulgaria in 1941 as the ally of nazy Germany.

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#254

Post by JeffreyF » 14 Jun 2007, 03:45

What are the official names of the Army, Air Force and Navy during ww2?

I see Vuzdushni na Negovo Velitchestvo Voiski for air force but maybe I go into information overload for the rest. :(

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Post by BIGpanzer » 27 Jun 2007, 02:06

Bulgarian Army (Áúëãàðñêà àðìèÿ, Bylgarska armiya).

Bulgarian Navy (Áúëãàðñêèÿò ôëîò, Bylgarskiyat flot) - I guess that it had name Naval division (Ìîðñêà äèâèçèÿ, Morska diviziya) in 1937-1939 and Naval forces (Ìîðñêè âîéñêè, Morski voiski) in 1940-1944.

As for Bulgarian Air Force (Âîåííîâúçäóøíè ñèëè, Voennovyzdushni sili) - I also sometimes saw the name which you posted: Vuzdushni na Negovo Velitchestvo Voiski (His Majesty’s Air Force) in 1937-1944.

Bulgarian forummembers should know better - http://forum.boinaslava.net/index.php

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