April 1942, Eastern Front

pdhinkle36ID · Post by **pdhinkle36ID** » 31 Mar 2002 23:56

German Forces recieved help from Italy, Rumania, Hungary, Slovakia, & Spain. All sent units, in all 51 Divisions were added to the German order of battle
Many have asked on this forum about non-german troops. Some members may have gained citizenship in this manner. Why not ask.

Rommel · Post by **Rommel** » 01 Apr 2002 00:11

and your point is...

Gwynn Compton · Post by **Gwynn Compton** » 02 Apr 2002 01:05

Indeed, I too am lost for what the point is for this post.

Benoit Douville · Post by **Benoit Douville** » 03 Apr 2002 05:26

To learn something i guess.

Gwynn Compton · Post by **Gwynn Compton** » 03 Apr 2002 10:23

What exactly though is what we're not understanding...

The countries all sent help to Russia, partyly because they feared Russia, and mostly because they feared what Germany would do to them if they didn't.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 03 Apr 2002 20:08

What is the question of this topic?

Btw, you forgot to add the Croatians...

vils · Post by **vils** » 18 Apr 2002 14:51

..and the Nordic SS Wiking division!

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 18 Apr 2002 16:21

That was an SS division, not an allied army unit.

Andy H · Post by **Andy H** » 19 Apr 2002 18:15

Don't forget the Finnish divisions.

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Tiwaz · Post by **Tiwaz** » 22 Apr 2002 06:53

Cheshire Yeomanry wrote:Don't forget the Finnish divisions.

From the Shire

I doubt they count in this case. I don't think they were part of German order of battle.

MVSNConsolegenerale · Post by **MVSNConsolegenerale** » 23 Apr 2002 07:17

The sent people into Russia because they wanted a piece of the Soviet Pie. the question you should be asking is why Germany allowed its allies to send troops in, something which they didn't want on June 22.

My answer to this is that after the 1941 disaster infront of Moscow, which I argue was the whole turning point - not stalingrad of operation overlord, they needed troops and they needed them badly fill holes in the front.

Of course, none of Germany's allies knew how disasterous 41 had been.

MVSNConsolegenerale · Post by **MVSNConsolegenerale** » 23 Apr 2002 07:22

and nobody feared russia on the axis side (and much of the allied), nobody took them seriously enough. Eg. If Poland had allowed the Soviet Union into their mutual protection pact with england the entire war would never have happened - they didn't....

so neither did Italy,Germany (take them seriously that is).

Interestingly, when the German generals knew that all was basically lost in late 42, Mussolini and his generals didn't even know the condition of his troops...which had dissolved napolean style under the Soviet Onslaughts.

Andy H · Post by **Andy H** » 23 Apr 2002 20:24

Tiwaz

German and Finnish troops fought in several Army and Korps together on the far extreme of the Eastern Front, so yed they should be included and yes like every satelite country that sent troops they all had there own agenda's.

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Tiwaz · Post by **Tiwaz** » 24 Apr 2002 08:27

Cheshire Yeomanry wrote:Tiwaz

German and Finnish troops fought in several Army and Korps together on the far extreme of the Eastern Front, so yed they should be included and yes like every satelite country that sent troops they all had there own agenda's.

From the Shire

Really? I know there were German troops in Lapland ~41-44 (and 45 when they were considered enemies) and a battalion of Finns was recruited to Waffen-SS, this arrangement lasted from 41-43.

I still do not see how it should be added...

JariL · Post by **JariL** » 24 Apr 2002 08:45

Hi,

As of 1942 Finns should not be added because the German main effort was in the South. There were no special plans going on in the North and Germans did not make any specific requests to the Finns about any major operations. Finnish front, including the German part of it in Lappland remained relatively calm until summer 1944.

In the general picture Finland was of course on the German side but it's resources were not at German disposal in april 1942. Thus counting them in would just inflate the numbers but would not have any real significance. Besides, when Germans were getting ready to attack in the South Finns demobilezed almost half of their army.

Regards,

Jari

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