First Battle for Nalchik

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First Battle for Nalchik

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Post by Orlov » 14 Oct 2005, 22:45

[Split from "Poglavnik in action"]


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Battle for Nalchik - part 3

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Post by Orlov » 14 Oct 2005, 22:53

There were Romanian Alpine Rifles, who interwar creator was col./gen. Phleps
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Post by rcristi2271 » 15 Oct 2005, 02:16

Nice pics thx for sharing.

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Nalchik

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Post by tigre » 15 Oct 2005, 03:15

Hello Orlov, thanks for sharing these pictures with us. Just a little question: Do you have a detailed account about the fight there?. Regards. Tigre.

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Post by Victor » 15 Oct 2005, 12:12

tigre, the 2nd Mountain Division began the assault over the river Baksan in the morning of 25 October, after a powerful 10-minute artillery preparation and aerial bombardment. The division had the 4th (8th and 15th Battalions) and 5th Mountain Groups (9th and 16th Battalions) in the first line. In reserve were the 7th and 10th Mountain Battalions. The villages Kysburun and Chengem were taken and fighting was still going on in Kishpek at nightfall. The mountain troops had broken through the junction of the 295th Rifle Division and 2nd Guards Rifle Division. The following day, the reserves were also committed into battle. The Soviets were pushed back to their positions in Nalchik and the division started the assault on the city itself. By 28, after some very brutal street fighting, the mountain troops had occupied it. Casualties were about 820. The number of Soviet prisoners was 3,079. Brig. gen. Dumitrache received the Mihai Viteazul Order 2nd class and the Ritterkreuz.

Orlov, those are interesting photos, some of which I haven't seen so far. Where did you get them?

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Post by dragos03 » 15 Oct 2005, 14:56

Also, the conquest of Nalchik by the Romanian 2nd Mountain Division marks the farthest Axis advance into Russia. It was interesting to see on TV these days the farthest point reached by the Axis forces on the Eastern front.
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Post by tigre » 15 Oct 2005, 15:02

Thanks Victor and dragos03. Best wishes. Tigre.

PD: Any map or skecht about the battle. Thanks in advance. Tigre.

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Post by Orlov » 15 Oct 2005, 23:30

Is there (on Caucasus) possible of any form cooperation between Romanian gebirgjaegers and Wikinger, who helped 13 and 23 PzDivs?

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Post by Orlov » 15 Oct 2005, 23:37

Victor wrote:Orlov, those are interesting photos, some of which I haven't seen so far. Where did you get them?
I have only electronic copies (mostly without second side of German text). I bought them via Polish ex-KBW soldier (KBW= commies Corps of Internal Security, who foughts against Wehrwolf and Polish anti-commie guerrilla on New Western part of Poland after 1945. Old man is dead. And I haven't original now - sell them.
dragos03 wrote:Also, the conquest of Nalchik by the Romanian 2nd Mountain Division marks the farthest Axis advance into Russia. It was interesting to see on TV these days the farthest point reached by the Axis forces on the Eastern front.
Romanian fights in ad hoc germany's kampfgruppes near Ordzhonikidzhe after fall of Nalchik and (I think) there was farest place achieve by Romanian Alpini. This was 30 km on southern direct
tigre wrote:Thanks Victor and dragos03. Best wishes. Tigre.

PD: Any map or skecht about the battle. Thanks in advance. Tigre.
Good maps are located at the TIEKE monography

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Re: Nalchik

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Post by Victor » 16 Oct 2005, 07:31

Orlov wrote:Is there (on Caucasus) possible of any form cooperation between Romanian gebirgjaegers and Wikinger, who helped 13 and 23 PzDivs?

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On 3 November, the offensive was resumed and the 2nd Mountain Division advanced towards Alagir, which it passed by on 5. To mark the October Revolution (7 November) the Soviet forces launched a counter-offensive and managed to intercept Axis communications on the Nalchik – Beslan – Ordyonikidze and Nalchik – Alagir – Ordyonikidze roads. Thus a part of the 3rd Panzer Corps fighting Ordyonikidze was encircled. The 2nd Mountain Division attacked the latter road near Mairamadag on 12 November re-establishing a link with the German 13th Panzer Division, which retreated during the following night. The Romanian troops remained on defensive positions after that. Between 20-25 November, the Soviets tried to brake through the lines of the 2nd Mountain Division, but we repulsed time and time again. Because of the general situation on the Eastern Front, on 4 December a general retreat started in the Caucasus.

Btw, why have you changed the first post into something regarding Yugoslavia? 8O
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Post by Victor » 16 Oct 2005, 07:32

dragos03 wrote:Also, the conquest of Nalchik by the Romanian 2nd Mountain Division marks the farthest Axis advance into Russia. It was interesting to see on TV these days the farthest point reached by the Axis forces on the Eastern front.
dragos03, Nalchik was the last important point in the Axis advance in the Caucasus, but not the farthest, as seen in the text above.

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Re: Nalchik

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Post by Victor » 16 Oct 2005, 07:33

tigre wrote:Thanks Victor and dragos03. Best wishes. Tigre.

PD: Any map or skecht about the battle. Thanks in advance. Tigre.
I will see what I can do.

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Post by dragos03 » 17 Oct 2005, 17:08

I know, that's what i meant, the last important city captured.

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Post by quodec » 26 Oct 2005, 00:09

I've always been very interested in the Axis forces advance into the Caucasus in 1942. I wonder if any books have ever been written about this speciific campaign, as all you ever see about the Caucasus fighting is a brief mention in publications about Stalingrad? Would be grateful for any information.

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Post by Orlov » 27 Oct 2005, 22:33

quodec wrote:I've always been very interested in the Axis forces advance into the Caucasus in 1942. I wonder if any books have ever been written about this speciific campaign, as all you ever see about the Caucasus fighting is a brief mention in publications about Stalingrad? Would be grateful for any information.
Those are;
Wilhelm Tieke - The Caucasus and The Oil
Peter Strassner - Europäische Freiwillige: Die 5. Panzer-Division Wiking, Munin-Verlag, 1968 or English European Volunteers
and
David M. Glantz
1984 Art of War Symposium (Transcript of Proceedings): From the Don to the Dnepr: Soviet Offensive Operations – December 1942-August 1943.  Reprint with additional maps.  Approximately 590 pages.  $65.
Forgotten Battles of the Soviet-German War (1941-1945):
Volume III:The Summer Campaign (12 May-18 November 1942).  (195 pages, including 68 maps).  Covers 14 forgotten operations conducted between mid-spring 1942 and the end of the Red Army’s Stalingrad defense.  $35.
Volume IV:The Winter Campaign (19 November 1942-21 March 1943).  (438 pages, including 138 maps and 10 figures).  Covers 16 forgotten operations conducted between the commencement of the Red Army’s Stalingrad counteroffensive and late spring 1943.  $50.
+
Atlas of the Battle of Stalingrad: Red Army Offensive Operations, 19 November 1942-2 February 1943 (190 maps and charts).  This large-format atlas consists of Soviet and German archival maps and composite daily situation maps detailing the entirety of the Red Army’s Stalingrad strategic offensive.  The atlas covers the initial Soviet penetration operation, the defeat of German relief attempts, the Soviet Middle Don (“Little Saturn”) and Kotel’nikovo offensive operations, and the destruction of German Sixth Army in Stalingrad (Operation Kol’tso [Ring]).  In addition, it provides unprecedented detail concerning the obscure Soviet offensive along the Chir River in early December (including 11th Panzer Division’s combat at State Farm No. 79), and the late December Soviet penetration to Tatsinskaia.  $75.
Atlas and Survey, Operation “Mars” (November-December 1942): Marshal Zhukov’s Greatest Defeat (43 pages of text and 84 maps in 11 x 17 inch format), consisting of translated maps from formerly classified Soviet General Staff materials, German operational and intelligence maps, and complete daily situation maps.  This operation, conducted by Marshal Zhukov, was the failed companion piece to operation “Uranus,” the Soviet Stalingrad counteroffensive.  Soviet authorities have since covered up its existence.  $55.
Volume IV:The Winter Campaign (19 November 1942-21 March 1943).  (438 pages, including 138 maps and 10 figures).  Covers 16 forgotten operations conducted between the commencement of the Red Army’s Stalingrad counteroffensive and late spring 1943.  $50.
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David M. Glantz - Zhukov's Greatest Defeat. The Red Army's Epic Disaster in Operation Mars, 1942
David M. Glantz and Jonathan M. Hous - When Titans Clashed. How the Red Army Stopped Hitler
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http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?opt ... 88&lang=en

+ Russian sources and books after 1991

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