Croatian Legion in Stalingrad

Wolffen · Post by **Wolffen** » 09 Oct 2002 15:17

A Pick of "Ustaska Legija Staljingrad" (Croatian Legion Stalingrad)
There a nice medal that the soldiers got that were in Stalingrad
Sorry don't have a pick

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 09 Oct 2002 15:24

Wolffen wrote:Croatians saved the Europe from the Mongolian/ Tatar invasion at "Kalnik" and Grobnicko polje" (places in Croatia were the Tatars were massacred and ultimately defeated also Turks could never take hall Croatia no one did and never will"

8) :

Actually what saved Europe in 1241 was the death of the Khan and that is why the hordes returned to participate in the ellection of a new one.

Wolffen · Post by **Wolffen** » 09 Oct 2002 16:38

Yea true but the factor was the losses they sufferd if they were unstobable they would go on regardles of leadership

JLEES · Post by **JLEES** » 10 Oct 2002 00:58

Napoli,
Try http://WWW.comandosupremo.com for information about Italian paratroops. There was an interesting discussion about six months ago about Italian airborne operations in WWII.
James

Napoli · Post by **Napoli** » 10 Oct 2002 02:31

Thanks JLEES for the info, much appreciated.

Wolffen · Post by **Wolffen** » 10 Oct 2002 21:08

Yea in Stalingrad Croatians replaced the Italians on a part of the front line because they could not hold the lines nothing surprising, and Croatians were among the last ones left there they made possible for thousands of Germans to evacuate.

CROATIANS ARE THE HEROES OF STAILINGRAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8) 8) 8) 8)

And they demand only respect!!!!!!!!!

Korbius · Post by **Korbius** » 10 Oct 2002 22:31

How could a regiment of less than 4000 people, replace an army of 200.000? Doesnt have any logic. And btw, the italians weren't stationed inside the city of Stalingrad, but in the north, along the Volga river. And what do u mean the evacuation of thousands of germans? There were a couple of high ranking officials and wounded evacuated throughout the entire siege which lasted for a month or so, but the airport was protected by germans.

KingTomislav · Post by **KingTomislav** » 10 Oct 2002 23:32

I red in a book (I cant remember which) that of 4000 Croatians, only 6 survived because they were wounded in early stage of the battle and could have been transported out of Stalingrad.

Napoli · Post by **Napoli** » 12 Oct 2002 07:35

Thats what I was thinking Korbius, at the time they wern't even there but in another region, more like 100km's west of the city and being the 8th Italian army. Coincidently smashed to pieces by the Russian steamroller moving forward but it would'nt matter who was in the way there as the result would have been the same anyway. At least they had the brains to escape the encirclement they were in and make for friendly lines. Something Hitler should have allowed the German 6th army to do and fight another day but being the great commander he was from 3000km's (?)away didn't.

Wolffen, you obviously seem to be a Croatian, would you like to explain the use of mercanaries from foriegn countries and volenteers from my own country (Australia of all places) to boost the inadequete skills of the modern Croat army against Serbia? But thats another story to be told somewhere else really.
You should remeber that Italain forces gained as much on their front lines as any other army on that front line, including Germans. What you didnt notice is that was the begining of the end for all Axis forces after Stalingrad.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 12 Oct 2002 07:36

Wolffen wrote:Yea true but the factor was the losses they sufferd if they were unstobable they would go on regardles of leadership

You can belive what you want, but if Batu-khan would not have been interested in the title of Great Khan, it is very unlikely he would not have burned down all of Europe. Btw, how much were those losses?

Csaba Becze · Post by **Csaba Becze** » 12 Oct 2002 09:09

KingTomislav:

Approx 2500 defenders were in Szigetvár in 1566 (not 3000). A lot of were a simply peasant, not a soldier... More than 1500 were Hungarians, approx 800, max 1000 were Croatians.

The Zrínyi's said, that "we are Hungarians", but evidently, you knows everithyng better...

JLEES · Post by **JLEES** » 12 Oct 2002 11:55

The Croatian Regiment at Stalingrad was attached to a German division in the German VI Army; they did not replace the Italian VIII Army who were defending the VI Army's flank farther to the North. In terms of the combat performance of the Italians on the Stalingrad Front, one should look at their weapons and equipment before judging whether they were good or poor troops. The real fault for the Army breaking up under the Soviet steam roller (Romanian's too) would have to be laid on the door step of the individuals who strategically and tactically placed them there and, of course, that is none-other than Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler. Mussolini sent the VIII Army to the Eastern Front when they could have been better strategically employed somewhere else that better served the Italian war effort and Hitler overlooked intelligence reports indicating the Red Army was getting ready to launch a major counter attack around Stalingrad. It's not too good of an idea to tactically assign Romanians and Italians, both with inferior weapons, the responsibility of defending the flanks of a German army when intelligence indicates a Soviet attack is coming. Although the Croatian’s earned a great reputation in the war for being good fighters, the Italian military's problem was one of poor weaponry, misdirection of their forces at the strategic and tactical levels and bad-luck on the battlefields.
James

johnny_bi · Post by **johnny_bi** » 14 Oct 2002 07:05

You're right JLEES, german strategy is to be blamed for the defeat at Stalingrad ...

BI

KingTomislav · Post by **KingTomislav** » 14 Oct 2002 22:53

Zrinski said we are Hungarians? lol
Thats because Zrinski family later was killed for wanting independence for Croatia?

Csaba Becze · Post by **Csaba Becze** » 15 Oct 2002 09:19

I am afraid, that your ignorance is funny (or sad?)

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