Who makes the best Jackboots?

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Post by jugendkrieger » 03 Jan 2008, 18:43

I would use m17 Lowboots with either Leather Gaitors or WickelGamachen, and a Transitional M16/18 helmet


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Post by Grabenkater » 03 Jan 2008, 19:16

Wickel nichts winkel. Winkel ist Schwietzer Deutsch fur dein Schwanz! LOL!

There was a model used that buckled up the side, but for the life if me I cannot find a photo.


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Post by soldat_m56 » 03 Jan 2008, 19:18

This is probably a stupid question, but what are the main differences between WWI and WWII model low boots?

btw Winkel is just an angle (but painful if applied to its Swiss meaning that Grabenkater wrote :o )

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Post by Fern » 03 Jan 2008, 19:25

Dare Furor wrote:
Leibstandarte_reenactor wrote:...I have a pair of custom made M1917 Trench boots which are amazing.
I realise these are the Trench boots and not the Marschstieffel to which you refer, but this makes me wonder: what was the Wehrmacht issued before 1939?
Marschstieffel with a taller leg portion (from 35 to 39 cm, 3 to 5 cm taller than the wartime Marschstieffel) and the new buckled boots introduced in 1933. The buckled boots had to be worn as combat boots but they were not succesful, so they were replaced by the Marschstieffel in 1935. However they were used by replacement and training units right up to 1939 and afterwards. I have seen a pic of soldier in Belgium (1940) wearing those buckled boots.
And just when in 1939 did the boots come out (possibly manufactured in 1938 and distributed in 1939)? If you were early war, say September/Oktober 1939, what are the odds you would have pre-1939 Marching Boots?
The leg portion of the Marschstieffel was ordered to be shortened 3-5 cm (depending on the size) by an order (HM 39, No. 814) dated Nov. 9th, 1939. That's the "M1939" boot worn by most reenactors. Previously the taller Marschstieffel was used. And if you was unlucky, then you got the ugly buckled boots instead. Some rearguard units got them.
And for those of you interested in pre-war: What boots and helmet would you wear in 1933-34?
Tall Marschstieffel or the new 1933 buckled boots and M18 helmets.

The info from the boots come from Angolia's book, vol 1, pages 151-159.

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Post by Drew Maynard » 03 Jan 2008, 20:05

and there is a low boot with a high leather gaiter of sorts that was used briefly as well, see attachment

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Post by Fern » 03 Jan 2008, 22:58

Drew, those boots are the "buckle boots". They were called Schnürstiefel (lace-up boots) or Schnallenstiefel (buckled boots). There were adopted in 1933, but were replaced by the Marschstiefel in 1935. However in 1937 it seems the Marschstiefel were reserved for guard, parade and service duty while the Schnallenstiefel were reserved for campaign duty. They were also used by training and replacemnet units. I guess the army was using up the available stocks of buckled boots until enough Marschstiefel were available.

Officers were allowed to wear low boots with leather leggins, but very few of them did it. Riding boots were more fashionable at the time.

Btw, the low boots were also in use in the 30's. The Schnürschuhe were used with the walking out dress and with the working dress. At first they had no hobnails but from 1934 onwards they COULD get hobnails

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Post by Leibstandarte_reenactor » 04 Jan 2008, 01:53

sorry for the confusion the M1917 boot is US issue. I've seen and tryed on Mattimores german WW2 low boot and Marshstieffel both of with am very impressed with. I cant wait to get my tax returns back so I can buy a pair of each.

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Post by kraftfahrer » 06 Jan 2008, 03:19

Actually I don't agree with one of the first answer here. I found the AtTheFront boots very good, comfortable and well made. So did other reenactors I know and other I met at events I don't even know.

Can you specify why you think those from ATF are not good?

Just to make sure, I mean these:
http://www.atthefront.com/g_boots_jacks.htm

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Post by Holz » 06 Jan 2008, 04:24

My only real complaint is the hobnails used break off way too easily. The leather could be a little thicker but isn't the major drawback. I intend on re-soling and re-hobbing them to have a second set. Only re-soling them because the prongs of the hobnails are still embedded in the sole.

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Post by kraftfahrer » 06 Jan 2008, 14:36

I believe there is a product you put on the soles to stiffen them up. That way the hobnails don't fall of so easy. You treat your soles regularly, as they were down. If you exagerate with the product, the soles become too stiff, so you gotta be careful.

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Post by Wilhelm Stulenger » 06 Jan 2008, 15:53

The shaft is constructed for a HUGE calf...and there are no other options to change the size of it.

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Post by HansBeck1 » 06 Jan 2008, 16:11

kraftfahrer wrote:Actually I don't agree with one of the first answer here. I found the AtTheFront boots very good, comfortable and well made. So did other reenactors I know and other I met at events I don't even know.

Can you specify why you think those from ATF are not good?

Just to make sure, I mean these:
http://www.atthefront.com/g_boots_jacks.htm
I really dislike mine:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 97#1123197

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Post by Grabenkater » 06 Jan 2008, 18:23

Make the sole stiff is no remedy for scheisse hobnails.

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Post by Holz » 06 Jan 2008, 20:03

Grabenkater wrote:Make the sole stiff is no remedy for scheisse hobnails.
Correct. These actually BREAK off. They don't fall out...at least mine did.

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Post by Dare Furor » 06 Jan 2008, 21:20

Wilhelm Stulenger wrote:The shaft is constructed for a HUGE calf...and there are no other options to change the size of it.
In order to keep all of my boots nice, I use shoe trees for the vamps and bottles (wine bottles usually) for the uppers. I was able to fit a 2 litre soda bottle into my ATF (spit) Boots. The latest on them is that since the sole is neither stitched nor pegged, the glue is coming undone (Nothing a little Barge Cement won't make fix :roll: ). So I still do not find that ATF makes (distributes) the best Jackboots. I still order items from them. I just recommend looking elsewhere for good Jackboots.

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