What is exact definition of Aryan?

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What is exact definition of Aryan?

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Post by FrozenLady » 14 Aug 2017, 05:00

Hello,

I have seen many people from different countries who support the idea of racial purity. I read an article today that Hindus claim themselves to be Aryans and supported Nazi regime. And I have seen many hindu guys posting Nazi Swastika and SS content on their profiles. Secondly, then why Jews and Slavs were considered inferior? And I have read somewhere that the Nazis also considered Native Americans as Aryans. If that's so what did they thought about white Americans?


Did that concept was created by the Greeks who coined the term 'Barbaros" i.e Barbarians because when they met people of other nations, they did not understand their language and felt that those peoples' words sound like bar bar when they spoke and so came to known as barbarians.

(I am asking this question free of any prejudice, just wanted to know what was exactly the definition of Aryan as since most Nazi supporters consider themselves Aryans. Thank you!).

I have noticed that racism exists in all countries, even from class to class.

One last thing I wanted to add, MAN ACCEPTED HIMSELF BEING A DESCENDANT OF AN APE BUT WHAT HE DOES NOT ACCEPT HIS FELLOW HUMAN RACES."

In my opinion, one man is superior to another man, in terms of their knowledge, honour, character, morality and wisdom.

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Re: What is exact definition of Aryan?

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Post by wm » 14 Aug 2017, 10:33

I would say generally it's believed people with good looks are superior. :)

The term Aryan has/had only meaning in linguistics.
In Nazi Germany the definition was non-Jewish and non-colored.
It was said the Germans were a racial community of various races (Nordic, Dinaric, Alpine and others) of Aryan descend.
Later it was avoided (because it had become obvious even to the Nazis it was an entirely pseudoscience term) and replaced with German blood and similar terms.
In the occupied territories Aryan was used informally, and there it meant non-Jewish. Like for example the Aryan part of city.


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Post by Br. James » 14 Aug 2017, 20:30

In my opinion there are two myths which came together in the minds of Heinrich Himmler and other, earlier racial theoreticians who were searching for some kind of hard evidence for their racist views that elevated Caucasian Northern Europeans above African and Asian peoples. The first myth was what these people believed themselves to be a part of, known as the "Nordic race," which was romanticized in literature, ancient history and the music of Richard Wagner as a justification for linking the old Norse gods with the human race. Inspired to seek a source for these ancient legends, there arose a theory that these ancient Northern Europeans originally came through a prehistoric migration which began on the remote sub-continent of India, and that was the beginning of the myth of the evolution of the so-called "Indo-Aryan" people into Northern Europe. Himmler became so fascinated with this concept that in 1938 he sent an expedition led by the SS into Tibet in search of a conclusive linking of his and other Nazis' racial theories to the ancestors of this fictitious racial strain. A book titled "Himmler's Crusade" by Christopher Hall (published by Wiley, 2003) "relates the 1938 Nazi expedition through British India to the sacred mountains of Tibet in search of the remnants of the Aryan people..."

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Post by wm » 16 Aug 2017, 01:14

In the film Hitler's Private World Hitler is shown ridiculing Himmler's expedition and his other similar efforts by saying: These expeditions, to what end? Like looking for ghosts in the attic. What culture is there in a clay jug I ask you?
Unfortunately it's not certain because it's a bad, full of nonsense film.
But according to "Non-Germans" under the Third Reich by Diemut Majer Hitler rather early ceased to believe in his own racial ideas. Later (since 1941) even the terms German race, white race, European race were forbidden in Germany as irrational and useless - because it was obvious the Germans weren't a single race.

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Post by Br. James » 16 Aug 2017, 17:01

I agree, Wm. I don't believe that Hitler was ever completely sold on racial theory; he was much more interested in anti-Semitism and how that position captivated the masses. It was Himmler, Hermann Esser, Alfred Rosenberg, Arthur Dinter and other of the early members of the DAP and similar racialist groups that focused on a supposed "Aryan race," while Hitler used such fables as a unifying force in his development of the xenophobic pan-Germanism that became National Socialism. I don't believe Himmler ever managed to get Hitler to visit Wewelsburg, which illustrates Hitler's willingness to keep racial theories and their institutions at a distance, yet he was certainly willing to utilize such structures for his own purposes.

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Re: What is exact definition of Aryan?

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Post by DavidFrankenberg » 08 Sep 2017, 14:26

John Lukacs, The Hitler of History (p.121-123), square brackets are mine :
"Hitler did write in Mein Kampf that the racial question was the key to world history. That he was not consistent in his racial preferences is obvious. When the occasion demanded, he chose, or sought, alliances with Japanese, Chinese, Romanians, Arabs, and so forth [we can add Poles before 1939, and even Soviets between 39-41], while remaining committed to fighting or even destroying his Nordic or Aryan opponents [Norway, Denmark, Holland, UK]. (...) Haffner noted that "race was never defined by him and often equated with the concept of nation... A supreme race as a master nation shall according to Hitler rule the world one day, but which a race or a nation ? the Germans or the Aryans ? This is never entirely clear with Hitler. Equally unclear is whom he regards as Aryans. Only the more or less Germanic nations ? Or all whites except the Jews ? This is nowhere clarified by Hitler." The real differencie among white, black and yellow-skinned people did not much interest Hitler. What interested him was the struggle within the white race, between the "Aryans" and the Jews". Only about Jews did he remain consistent to the very end of his life. (...) There was a racist element in his thinking, but his governing obsessions were not biological. National sentiments of superiority (...) were cultural rather than racial. (...) Hitler said "Pride of race is a quality which the German fundamentally did not possess. We use the term of Jewish race as a matter of convenience, for in reality and from the genetic point of view there is no such thing as the Jewish race".

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Re: What is exact definition of Aryan?

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Post by David Thompson » 08 Sep 2017, 23:16

For previous discussions of this topic, see:

Slavs and the Nuremberg Laws
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=218949
Nazis definition of related blood ("artverwandtes Blut")
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=217425
Is the plight of "Aryan" German citizens conveniently forgotten?
viewtopic.php?f=46&t=216795
"Slavs were considered Aryan"
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=20040

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