Berghof Obersalzberg

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby Geoff Walden » 08 Oct 2017 01:16

Annelie wrote:Somehow I must have missed or forgotten some things.

http://thisiszionism.blogspot.ca/2008/1 ... ewish.html

'And Bormann, I didn't like him at all. He was a dirty pig.' By the end of 1934, the house was surrounded by minefields and SS checkpoints. Rosa said. 'I felt like a prisoner instead of an employee.'


Well aware of the checkpoints but the minefields?

Considering all the tourists and hikers I wonder if this could be correct?


You are correct, Annelie - there were no minefields on the Obersalzberg. Several other details are wrong as well ... either remembered incorrectly, or sensationalized for today's readers.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby Annelie » 08 Oct 2017 12:53

Thanks Geoff,

I was informed graciously that I had linked to an dubious site.

This one is more appropriate.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... tator.html

Well, at least I remembered something correctly. Having walked all over the Obersalzberg I would like to think it
was safe.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby Geoff Walden » 09 Oct 2017 01:45

Safe enough for us tourists, I reckon. Although there were some grenades and ammo found in a drain near the Platterhof site a year or two ago. And there are likely unexploded bombs still buried on the OSB, although I believe it has been several years since any were found. The golf course is searched each spring for bomb shrapnel on or near the surface.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby Geoff Walden » 10 Oct 2017 21:01

Well, bite my tongue ... just today (Tuesday), construction crews dug up an unexploded 500kg bomb beside the Dokumentation Obersalzberg, right outside the entrance to the Gaestehaus/Platterhof tunnel system. Anyone who has walked on the path through the woods, between the former Gaestehaus and the Berghof site, has pretty much walked right over this bomb!

News from our friend Ralf:

https://www.berchtesgadener-anzeiger.de ... ign=buffer

Check out the photo link. The work on the extension to the DokuZentrum sure has torn up that area back by the tunnel entrance.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby hsa601 » 11 Oct 2017 13:18

Having a little time I played with some images and got this.

berghofgps.png


This would place the Great Hall under the following Coordinates in google earth, give or take a few centimeters. :D

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby Biber » 11 Oct 2017 22:13

Geoff Walden wrote:Well, bite my tongue ... just today (Tuesday), construction crews dug up an unexploded 500kg bomb beside the Dokumentation Obersalzberg, right outside the entrance to the Gaestehaus/Platterhof tunnel system. Anyone who has walked on the path through the woods, between the former Gaestehaus and the Berghof site, has pretty much walked right over this bomb!

News from our friend Ralf:

https://www.berchtesgadener-anzeiger.de ... ign=buffer

Check out the photo link. The work on the extension to the DokuZentrum sure has torn up that area back by the tunnel entrance.

Geoff


Good God they look awfully casual dealing with that thing!

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby CPB » 12 Oct 2017 09:00

Geoff Walden wrote:Well, bite my tongue ... just today (Tuesday), construction crews dug up an unexploded 500kg bomb beside the Dokumentation Obersalzberg, right outside the entrance to the Gaestehaus/Platterhof tunnel system. Anyone who has walked on the path through the woods, between the former Gaestehaus and the Berghof site, has pretty much walked right over this bomb!

News from our friend Ralf:

https://www.berchtesgadener-anzeiger.de ... ign=buffer

Check out the photo link. The work on the extension to the DokuZentrum sure has torn up that area back by the tunnel entrance.

Geoff


Reminds me of this photo. The reverse reads "on the way to Berchtesgaden from Hitler's home"

It looks like a slightly different-shaped bomb to the one they found recently, but I guess from the same RAF raid.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby Br. James » 12 Oct 2017 15:52

Unbelievable...simply UNBELIEVABLE!!

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby Johnnyrocket » 12 Oct 2017 19:58

Could this have been a Hitler/Berghof presented dagger that has just surfaced in Argentina? I've never seen one such at this one before.

Looks like something H. Gouring might have created?

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby Biber » 12 Oct 2017 20:21

Never heard of a Berghof presentation dagger. Please, do tell.

Why is this Argentinian hoard even in the news? I don't think I've ever heard why the police were involved with these items, or why the raid that found them was conducted. It just seems odd to me that a big deal is being made about Nazi "artifacts" found in Argentina. Ok, so what? does that really surprise anybody? And they seem to be trying awfully hard to connect those items with "high ranking" Nazi officials. The article even says that such things aren't illegal. So what's so newsworthy here? Sorry if I'm being obtuse. I really don't understand the hype.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby Johnnyrocket » 12 Oct 2017 20:51

The Berghof was use as a backdrop for many presentations (i.e., Knight Crosses, Field Marshal Batons etc.) and I sure a dagger/sword or two to Göring over the years. These items are always news worthy because they are associated with a dark history of the human race.

Of course there's the "rubber-neck syndrome" with anything Nazi. People are curious to see nefarious things. It's a curiosity we all experience as we approach the scene of a bad wreak on the highway.

I think this is why more and more people are interested in learning and experiencing the Berchtesgaden and Obersalzberg areas today. This is a specific area that screams to us saying that there's history here—please pay attention to me and learn from the past and don't come this way again.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby Geoff Walden » 13 Oct 2017 15:59

CPB wrote:Reminds me of this photo. The reverse reads "on the way to Berchtesgaden from Hitler's home"

It looks like a slightly different-shaped bomb to the one they found recently, but I guess from the same RAF raid.


GREAT photo!
Pretty sure that is Albert Speer's architectural studio in the background.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby CPB » 14 Oct 2017 08:46

Geoff Walden wrote:
CPB wrote:Reminds me of this photo. The reverse reads "on the way to Berchtesgaden from Hitler's home"

It looks like a slightly different-shaped bomb to the one they found recently, but I guess from the same RAF raid.


GREAT photo!
Pretty sure that is Albert Speer's architectural studio in the background.


Ha is that so? Thanks Geoff, good eye.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby tunix0 » 16 Oct 2017 08:33

Geoff Walden wrote:Well, bite my tongue ... just today (Tuesday), construction crews dug up an unexploded 500kg bomb beside the Dokumentation Obersalzberg, right outside the entrance to the Gaestehaus/Platterhof tunnel system. Anyone who has walked on the path through the woods, between the former Gaestehaus and the Berghof site, has pretty much walked right over this bomb!

News from our friend Ralf:

https://www.berchtesgadener-anzeiger.de ... ign=buffer

Check out the photo link. The work on the extension to the DokuZentrum sure has torn up that area back by the tunnel entrance.

Geoff


8O 8O

Oh my goodness! :)

In 2016 i was there with my family, exact at this spot. But well, there are still so many bombs in germany. Every day you can hear it on the radio or on TV.

Two pics from this area. The bomb was found right behind the wall at the left of the pics.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby headwest » 17 Oct 2017 20:04

I was just wondering if some of the bomb craters are still there? When i look at the aerial pictures of the bombing I see some pretty large ones that I think are in the woods now etc? Just curious of any of the craters are still there.

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