Berghof Obersalzberg

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by CPB » 06 Dec 2017 18:04

Thanks Geoff!

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Br. James » 06 Dec 2017 19:22

At first glance this photo does give the impression of Hitler sitting in the old living room of Haus Wachenfeld, either as it looked prior to the major construction which created the Berghof and enveloped Haus Wachenfeld, or after that period of renovation, for the old living room remained essentially the same, with wainscoting and built-in benches along the wall. But the window arrangement is completely different in that living room, before as well as after the new construction. I don't know where this photo was taken, Geoff, but it wasn't in the Berghof/Haus Wachenfeld.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Annelie » 06 Dec 2017 19:40

I don't believe it would be Wachenfeld as I doubt very much he would have the cross
sitting in the corner?

Could it be one of the small restaurents he frequented while on some of his
walks around the area? Remember reading he had his favourites. The decoration
theme seems in keeping with those small places that I have noticed on my travels
around there.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by atobersalzberg » 06 Dec 2017 22:03

Hi all,

I believe the photo was taken in Gasthof Vorderbrand, as Geoff mentioned.

Best wishes,

Tom

http://www.gasthof-vorderbrand.de/gasthaus.html
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Geoff Walden » 06 Dec 2017 22:46

I'm leaning that way as well, Tom. Here is a photo of that corner in Vorderbrand from a 1941 book. Maybe not a perfect match to the AH photo, but that photo could have been taken in the main room at Vorderbrand, maybe (if you go check, tell Karla I said "hi" again). :milwink:
(Or did you tell me that she is at Hochlenzer now?)
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by atobersalzberg » 07 Dec 2017 19:51

Hi Geoff,

Yes, the photo looks like a good match to me!

Karla is now at Hochlenzer bringing her usual charm! I'll see her again soon and will pass on your greetings. :wink:

Best,

Tom

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by CPB » 08 Dec 2017 17:07

Nice detective work...thanks!

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Br. James » 10 Dec 2017 21:13

Maybe it's ME, but there are some very slight differences between the first photo Tom presented -- Hitler sitting at the corner table looking at some photos or a magazine, in the mid-1930s -- and the other two photos. The table and chairs in each of the three photos are different. The shelf on which the crucifix sits is mounted lower toward the wainscoting molding in the Hitler photo than it is in the modern color photo, and the crucifix itself is different between the Hitler and the color photo. The third photo's corner display is too dark to see what's there and what isn't. The ceiling lighting fixture is different in all three photos. And both of the windowsills sit on top of the wainscoting molding in the first and the third photo, though the windowsill behind where Hitler would have been sitting in the color photo has been raised up from atop the wainscoting molding.

Just some observations...! Cheers, friends,

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Annelie » 10 Dec 2017 22:37

Br. James,

This morning that is exactly what I thought...the wainscoting either had changed or was not the
same place. I did an online search and found a place that looked liked it fit better but then I had
to leave and I have now spent some time trying to find where I found the other photo.

Of course many of the places all have the same similar theme. If I find it again I will post.
I didn't want to post because usually I am incorrect :-)

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Geoff Walden » 21 Dec 2017 00:52

Thanks for that link, Annelie! Gotta love the Krampuslauf ... I will never forget the year I finally got to see it in person.

They are coming out of the Third Reich tunnel system that was built into the mountain behind the Bahnhof, for protection of rail workers. While that entrance itself has been closed off by a gate for years, I had been told that recently a chain link fence had been put up there, so people could no longer get close to that entrance. I don't see any trace of that fence in this video. Unless it's WAY back, and they let the public inside.
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Post by Br. James » 23 Dec 2017 15:44

To all of our colleagues and friends, I wish much joy for the holiday season and successful research and collecting in the coming new year!

Blessings,

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Ernie Primeau » 26 Dec 2017 13:11

Not sure where to post this, friends, so mods feel free to move.

One of Hitler's Mercedes parade cars is going for auction:

https://www.autoblog.com/2017/12/20/ado ... r-auction/

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Biber » 26 Dec 2017 17:40

Ernie Primeau wrote:Not sure where to post this, friends, so mods feel free to move.

One of Hitler's Mercedes parade cars is going for auction:

https://www.autoblog.com/2017/12/20/ado ... r-auction/
Sorry to perpetuate a post that belongs in a different thread but I can't resist suggesting the the book, The Devil's Mercedes. It's a great read about the armored sedans used by the Nazi's highest echelons. - including this car.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Geoff Walden » 27 Dec 2017 20:25

I hope everyone here is having a great holiday season?

Have any of you all ever seen this photo? It is evidently one of the photo missions that the Allies flew around the Obersalzberg in 1945, but I never saw this photo before. It is not in the collections in the US National Archives where the rest of those photos are found today (or else it is misfiled). Does anyone know the original source of this photo?
Thanks, Geoff
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Br. James » 28 Dec 2017 00:10

Hi Geoff,

A very Merry Christmas and the Happiest of New Years to you and yours, my friend! As for this photo, no, I don't recall ever seeing it before...though it is quite a fine one on this subject. Can you tell us where you found this photo; that might be helpful to some here?

Cheers,

Br. James

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