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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

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Post by Geoff Walden » 24 Jun 2018, 23:49

And please let us know, if you get the chance, if there is anything left of the Hotel Geiger, or if it is all torn down. Thanks! Have a great time!
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

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Post by Project X » 25 Jun 2018, 00:03

I drove past the Hotel Geiger six hours ago. One building is still standing! All around is construction site. I'll take pictures in the coming days.
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Post by Geoff Walden » 25 Jun 2018, 00:04

*NL* wrote:The reason why i first thought that this could not be the original door is that the door in the image seemed to have been made out of wood.
Comparing images i realize that it is a metal door afterall.
In answer to your question Geoff, the round things near the edge of the doors could be the openings for 2 hinges.
I have two images attached from pictures i took from Dachau doors including those hinges.
Right you are, Hans, and thanks! I didn't even think of those doors at Dachau, which look almost identical to this OSB door, and we know the Dachau doors were gastight because they were used on Zyklon-B clothing disinfection chambers.

Didn't you make a post about the horizontal indent in the concrete above the door? I don't see that post now. I have seen this sort of thing on some of the other OSB tunnel entrances, but have no idea what it was for. Some people have thought this had something to do with a wooden covering attached to the tunnel entrance, to "hide" the tunnel from aerial reconnaissance, and you do sometimes see such things in period photos, but I don't see how these indentations in the concrete could be for that. They are hardly uniform ... some are long, some are short, some appear also on the sides, some are angled, and the one on the Gästehaus entrance is chevron-shaped. It all has me baffled ...
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

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Post by *NL* » 25 Jun 2018, 06:26

Project X wrote:Moll Bunker: I arrived in Berchtesgaden today and stay for two weeks. On occasion, I will check if there are some remains of the Moll Bunker next to the Guard House.
Great work Project X, i hope you brought your spade with you and inform us about your excavation works with pictures of the current situation.
I wish you a great stay in the Berchtesgadener area the comming weeks. :milsmile:

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Post by *NL* » 25 Jun 2018, 06:33

Geoff Walden wrote: Right you are, Hans, and thanks! I didn't even think of those doors at Dachau, which look almost identical to this OSB door, and we know the Dachau doors were gastight because they were used on Zyklon-B clothing disinfection chambers.
I love the fact that you identified the doors correctly as disinfection chamber doors Geoff :milsmile:
Somewhere around my travels i have seen such doors with a rubber lining on the inside, but at the moment i can't remember where i saw these.

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Post by *NL* » 25 Jun 2018, 06:40

Geoff Walden wrote: Didn't you make a post about the horizontal indent in the concrete above the door? I don't see that post now. I have seen this sort of thing on some of the other OSB tunnel entrances, but have no idea what it was for. Some people have thought this had something to do with a wooden covering attached to the tunnel entrance, to "hide" the tunnel from aerial reconnaissance, and you do sometimes see such things in period photos, but I don't see how these indentations in the concrete could be for that. They are hardly uniform ... some are long, some are short, some appear also on the sides, some are angled, and the one on the Gästehaus entrance is chevron-shaped. It all has me baffled ...
Correct indeed Geoff, i did post a question about that indent above the door, but i have deleted it because i think i found the answer myself by comparing images.
I think the answer is that this indent was intended for diverting downcoming rain water from the high up retaining wall above.
Afterall, nobody wants a liters and liters of water shower when entering or leaving that door entrance.
(even when wearing a protecting helmet :milsmile: )
I think the water was catched in that indent, because of it slowed, and spreaded down to the left and right side of the entrance.
(You could use a standard gutter as well, but that would be cluttered up soon by the greenery straight above it, so this would be a simple,
easy to make and elegant solution.)

At least,...that is the only thing i can think of what it could be.

Best regards again, Hans.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

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Post by Project X » 25 Jun 2018, 13:35

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As promised, the current photo of Hotel Geiger

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

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Post by Project X » 25 Jun 2018, 17:11

Hotel Geiger Part 2
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Post by Project X » 25 Jun 2018, 17:13

Hotel Geiger Part 3
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

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Post by Project X » 25 Jun 2018, 19:05

I was at the guardhouse today. The grass on the opposite side of the road is very high, so you can not see anything from the bunker. It was also very wet. I'll check again if the weather gets better. But! I poked around a bit and then I found something hard under moss. After digging away some of it, I found remains of the right wall. Here are the images.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

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Post by Project X » 25 Jun 2018, 19:11

Nothing new on the Berghof site:
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

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Post by Project X » 25 Jun 2018, 19:22

The construction work on the "Dokumentation Obersalzberg" is progressing well. The second tunnel entrance was uncovered.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

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Post by Project X » 25 Jun 2018, 19:25

No joke: Opel has a very strange design of their rims :?
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

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Post by *NL* » 25 Jun 2018, 21:27

Project X wrote:No joke: Opel has a very strange design of their rims :?
Indeed indeed, you do not see such rimms often ! good spotted by you.
Also, thank you for keeping us up to date with current situation on the OBS and surroundings !

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Post by Geoff Walden » 26 Jun 2018, 02:35

Project X, vielen Dank for all the great update photos! And the Opel photo! :D

Hans, here are some pics of other OSB bunker/tunnel entrances/exits, showing different forms of the gutters, or whatever they were. Some of these, like the Gästehaus tunnel and Goering's emergency exit, are very elaborate, with these concrete crevices going across, up-and-down, at angles.
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Goering tunnel emergency exit
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Gästehaus tunnel entrance inside DokuCenter
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Gästehaus tunnel entrance in 1945 (Yank Magazine)
The Gästehaus tunnel entrance had a metal lattice over the entrance ... purpose unknown to me (maybe camouflage netting???) ... but the Vordereck tunnel entrance had the same thing (and this entrance only had the gutters/crevices vertically down low at either side of the door). (and Goering's tunnel exit had this metal lattice as well)
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Vordereck tunnel entrance in 1945 (US NARA RG 111SC)
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