Berghof Obersalzberg

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by tunix0 » 30 Aug 2019 07:51

N.C. Wyeth wrote:
29 Aug 2019 22:29
If the crowds in BG are any comparison to what I am experiencing here, then I will certainly be disappointed. It has been more than a decade since I was last here - and if this is what Europe has become and will forever be . . . then I am truly sad for it's future. Too many people, too much commercialism, and too depressing. It is certainly not like I recall from my last visit - and if you were to ask me now, I would say chances for a return visit would be nil.
It depends on when you are there. Germany had school holidays in recent weeks. Same for France and Italy. Therefore, many tourists flock to the usual sights. It will be much better outside the holiday season. In addition, Berchtesgaden advertises the sights. As a simple tourist you want to see all of them. Like a checkbook with too little time. Don't blame Europe for holiday tourism, that would not be fair. :wink:

The Obersalzberg can be visited during the holiday season best early in the morning or in the late afternoon. And there are many places that are not that full, even during the day. Enjoy the mountains, walk away from the tourists and find the silence. :D

I also do not like these crowds at all, but I had two wonderful weeks around Berchtesgaden. We lived in Oberau on a farm in a holiday apartment with a great view to the Kehlstein, Watzmann and Hochkaltar. We had cows nearby and heard the cow bells on the balcony in the evening. That was pure relaxation. Moreover we have received many good tips from our landlords.

I think in the middle of Berchtesgaden in a hotel, it is far more restless...
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by vartaz » 30 Aug 2019 10:13

I Can highline reccomend gastrhaus Rita Heinz !
You Walk from downtown berchtesgaden throu a pathway and up a little Hill 1km maybe less then you arrive at her farm with no neighburs and peace and great mountain view. Prices were cheap i Think about 1/2 of the tyrken.
Had good breakfast and Rita is a great host !


http://www.landhaus-heinz.de/

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Geoff Walden » 30 Aug 2019 18:03

Does Frau Heinz have Einzelzimmer? I didn't see any listed. How is the parking?
I have stayed in town, and also twice in Oberau and twice in Schönau, but I'm still looking for a "favorite place" after the Türken.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by vartaz » 31 Aug 2019 13:53

There is parking on the Road gravel by the House.
Yes i Think she has. We rentes a small apartpent on the gastehaus. Also her husbond oskar sings jodle at new guests😊 Best to Call her or send e-mail . But she is very friendly and the Roomd is new ish good wuality

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by tigre » 08 Sep 2019 00:33

Hello to all :D; more: Berghof. Source: https://subastas.catawiki.es/kavels/283 ... zberg-1990

Cheers. Raúl M 8-).
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by PavelH » 08 Sep 2019 19:47

Didn´t know that book, there is a few pictures I have never seen before. Thankx for posting.

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Post by tigre » 09 Sep 2019 00:55

You're welcome Pavel. Cheers. Raúl M 8-).

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Alvin Y. » 09 Sep 2019 11:33

Hello,

I am new here in the forum and I hope to do everything right.

A few days ago we were in Berchtesgaden and I visited the Berghof area. My first visit at the Berghof Area was in the year 2017. Meanwhile I did a lot of research, for example with Geoffrey's book, his website and of course also here in this great forum. Well, after 2 years work, I know the ruins quite well.

When I returned there a week ago, I discovered an opening on the former terrace / roof of the garage. Someone probably dug there and found this opening.
Actually a little sensation, because of my knowledge the garage was completely removed in 1995 and disposed of the material or it was used for the construction of a chapel in Berchtesgaden.

The fact that there are actually concrete with cavities (and a board made of wood) is unbelievable.
Or is it just another part of the Berghof. Maybe a wall or parts of the stairs leading up to the garage?! Or could it be a structural measure from the year 1995 to fix that area?
Please look at the pictures. I hope you can see everything very well. Based on the fact that I filmed a lot, I had to edit the photos from the movie, so unfortunately it's not 100% okay.

Now my question:
Is this actually the original ceiling of the garage (the famous terrace) and can the wooden plank actually be over 80 years old in this way? Unfortunately it was not possible for me to research if the ceiling was built that way. I found no documents or other descriptions in the Internet.

I hope someone can help and we can solve the puzzle together. (Please let me know, if you need more pictures).

Thanks in advance for your assistance and regards.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Annelie » 09 Sep 2019 14:01

Wouldn't it have nice perfect if you had one of those snake type
cameras that you could put down the hole to take photos?

Or perhaps someone has already?

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Geoff Walden » 10 Sep 2019 15:00

Hi Alvin,

Welcome to AHF!
:welcome:

Thanks very much for posting! I did not see that hole when I was there in July, and I guess you did not see it on your visits before, right? I did see this hole in 2001, but not since then (and it was not there in 1999-2000). Or maybe not exactly this same hole but a similar hole in the same area. In this photo I took in 2001, I don't remember which direction I was facing ... which would be the "front" and which the "back."
Berghofgarage2001.jpg
We read that the garage was entirely removed, but I do not think this is strictly true. I think they removed the front and the sides that were made of large stones, and the roof, but I think they left the back wall (concrete) in place. I think that's what we are seeing in this hole - part of the back wall and adjacent structures, with the gap maybe being a small part of space of the garage interior that has opened up by soil erosion. I doubt there is actually any big space down there where the interior of the garage was, because the area that was left after the front/side walls and roof removal was all filled in.

I agree with Annelie - it would certainly be great to lower a camera down in that hole!

Maybe Henk knows about this hole ...

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Mannheim » 10 Sep 2019 22:26

I've posted this before (I think). It's the interior of the garage, taken in 1982. At the top left you can see the curved shaped of the top of the garage door. There was a small entrance here that some (other) intrepid explorer had dug out, through which I wriggled. There was a fair bit of rubble in the garage but even so I was surprised how low the ceiling was when I found a spot of the original floor on which to stand.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Instructor80 » 12 Sep 2019 14:50

Hy Guys!

I'm actually run out of Money, but if anybody of you is interessted:

https://www.immobilienscout24.de/expose ... district#/

Greez Stephan

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Annelie » 12 Sep 2019 16:56

Oh wow.

Never knew it was up for sale.....there goes Türken a piece of history to who knows
whom and what they will do to it plus out of the family hands. Mother would have
been sad.

At my exchange rate its about five million dollars.

Mannheim, this thread is so large that even if some knew a photo was posted
it is difficult to find it. Its good to repost with the post that is related to it.

thanks.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Mannheim » 12 Sep 2019 22:07

No worries, Annelie. I have others from inside the garage and will post them eventually but I am running short of time as I will be back in Berchtesgaden for ten days after October 1st. I'll post them when I return (in around two months).

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Annelie » 12 Sep 2019 22:13

Mannheim,

October 1st is a good time to be in Berchtesgaden.
Look forward to your photos. :thumbsup:

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