The Aryan idel..and the reality....

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The Aryan idel..and the reality....

Post by LAstry2 » 12 May 2022 16:09

Idel Aryan was Blond...Slim...and beautiful

the reality was different....

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... ajaxserp=0

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Re: The Aryan idel..and the reality....

Post by George L Gregory » 14 May 2022 19:48

LAstry2 wrote:
12 May 2022 16:09
Idel Aryan was Blond...Slim...and beautiful

the reality was different....

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... ajaxserp=0

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That’s old hat.

However, most of it is based on falsehoods and anti-Nazi propaganda.

It’s true that the Nazis thought of the Nordic race as racially superior to other races, but they did not discriminate against people of ‘German or related blood’ who were not Nordic. It’s also worth noting that Nordic does not equal blonde hair and blue eyes.

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Re: The Aryan idel..and the reality....

Post by Hans1906 » 15 May 2022 02:03

I don't see any sense in this question, pure ignorance, without any historical reference.
To even reply to this as a German, that's pointless, another locked topic, David Thompson will take care about this, like always, right!


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Re: The Aryan idel..and the reality....

Post by David Thompson » 15 May 2022 05:01

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Re: The Aryan idel..and the reality....

Post by George L Gregory » 15 May 2022 17:56

The notion that Nazi race theorists promoted the notion of a superior Aryan race is deeply embedded in academic and popular perceptions of Nazism. The term 'Aryan' was widely used in Nazi Germany, and 'non-Aryan' became in many contexts a synonym for 'Jewish'. However, Nazi race theorists opposed the promotion of 'Aryan' as a racial concept. By 1935, the National Socialist regime had accepted that this use of the term was unscientific. Almost every academic commentary - outside specialist writings on race science in the Third Reich - fundamentally misrepresents the intellectual history of this question. The notion that the Nazis 'confused language with race' or Volk with Rasse in relation to the Aryan question is completely false.
Christopher Hutton, Race and the Third Reich.
Race means to be able to think in a certain way. He who has courage, loyalty and honor, the mark of the German, has the race that should rule in Germany, even if he does not have the physical characteristics of the “Nordic” race.
Faith and Action.

https://research.calvin.edu/german-prop ... lauben.htm

With all due respect David, it is obvious to anyone with a brain that it was based on anti-Nazi propaganda considering the vast majority of Nazi leaders, members of the SS, members of the Hitler Youth and ordinary Germans did not the physical characteristics of the Nordic race.

Nazi racial theorists always showed maps of the different races all over Europe. For example, Hans Günther:

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Nazi propaganda also did the same, so for example in 1934 a pamphlet titled “The German National Catechism” stated:
To which race do Europe’s peoples belong?

The peoples of Europe do not belong to a particular race, but are rather a racial mixture. Our German people is comprised primarily of six races.

And what are they?

The Nordic, the Pfalzish (fälische), the Western (westliche) the East Baltic (ostbaltische), the Ostic (ostische), and the Dinarish (dinarische) races.
https://research.calvin.edu/german-prop ... catech.htm

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Re: The Aryan idel..and the reality....

Post by LAstry2 » 15 May 2022 19:11

Yes Indeed 1937 NSDAP propaganda the SS Idel types....
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... ntrast.jpg

An page of the Naz Propagand magazine {english language} Signa once showed photographs Nordic types of the SS {Dutch; Norweigan; Danish ; Swedish]

For the record a branch of the distaff side of the family shows ethic germans from switzerland settled in Pennsylvania in the 1750's within a hundred Years they married into ethnic Germans from Germany..the latest being from Bavaria who settled in Ohio in the early 1800's....no blonds or blue eyes as far as I known...just plain ordinary Americans from their photograghs.... :milwink: :lol: :lol:

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Re: The Aryan idel..and the reality....

Post by George L Gregory » 15 May 2022 19:35

The point I’m trying to make is that it’s factually incorrect to think that Nordic equates to blonde hair and blue eyes.

Two prominent Nordicist thinkers stated:
The range of blond hair colour in pure Nordic peoples runs from flaxen and red to shades of chestnut and brown... It must be clearly understood that blondness of hair and of eye is not a final test of Nordic race. The Nordics include all the blonds, and also those of darker hair or eye when possessed of a preponderance of other Nordic characters. In this sense the word "blond" means those lighter shades of hair or eye colour in contrast to the very dark or black shades which are termed brunet. The meaning of 'blond' as now used is therefore not limited to the lighter or flaxen shades as in colloquial speech. In England among Nordic populations there are large numbers of individuals with hazel brown eyes joined with the light brown or chestnut hair which is the typical hair shade of the English and Americans. This combination is also common in Holland and Westphalia and is frequently associated with a very fair skin. These men are all of 'blond' aspect and constitution and consequently are to be classed as members of the Nordic race.
Madison Grant, The Passing of the Great Race.
The Nordic race: tall, long-headed, narrow-faced, with prominent chin; narrow nose with high bridge; soft, smooth or wavy light (golden-fair) hair; deep-sunk light*(blue or grey) eyes; rosy-white skin.
Hans Günther, The Racial Elements of European History.

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