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Post by Dan » 07 Nov 2002 01:46

London certainly is exciting, and I can see how an Alaskan like Caldric would particularly enjoy him. Hans' explaination that they just burned (not that it is good) two specific books seems more realistic to me, and that's why I was suprised.

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Post by David Thompson » 07 Nov 2002 02:38

Here's some more authors whose books were burned:

Ernst Weichert, Upton Sinclair, Romain Rolland, Helen Keller, Selma Lagerlof, H.G. Wells, Havelock Ellis, Jean F.M.A. de Voltaire, Emile Zola, Herman Hesse and Marcel Proust. (Shirer, Rise & Fall 241)

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Post by Oleg Grigoryev » 07 Nov 2002 02:44

it seesm that it is easier to name authors that they did not burn

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Post by David C. Clarke » 07 Nov 2002 02:56

There has to be some irony somewhere in the Nazis' burning Kafka!
And Upton Sinclair? Talk about consumer unfriendly. I guess AH didn't like that book about the slaughterhouses. Damn Vegan!
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Post by Dan » 07 Nov 2002 04:05

David C. Clarke wrote:There has to be some irony somewhere in the Nazis' burning Kafka!
And Upton Sinclair? Talk about consumer unfriendly. I guess AH didn't like that book about the slaughterhouses. Damn Vegan!
Cheers, D


Yes, when I think of cockroaches, I think of Trotski, Marx, Hitler and Himmler. There's no irony in burning Kafka, just people who don't like seeing themselves in the mirror.

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Post by witness » 07 Nov 2002 04:18

Yes, when I think of cockroaches, I think of Trotski, Marx, Hitler and Himmler. There's no irony in burning Kafka, just people who don't like seeing themselves in the mirror

Difficult to say better.

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Post by Karl » 07 Nov 2002 06:44

David C. Clarke wrote:There has to be some irony somewhere in the Nazis' burning Kafka!
And Upton Sinclair? Talk about consumer unfriendly. I guess AH didn't like that book about the slaughterhouses. Damn Vegan!
Cheers, D


Yes! LOL David. :mrgreen:

And yes Witness, book burning certainly is a crime and besides the regime's more obvious (and disgusting) policies, another example of their uncivilized nature.

Embarrasing!

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Book Burning

Post by HPL2008 » 07 Nov 2002 07:41

In the 19th century, Heinrich Heine summed it up best when he wrote:

"Wo Bücher brennen, da brennen bald auch Menschen."

(= "Where books are burning, people soon will be burning as well.")


Of course, the Nazis burned his books too.

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Post by Max » 07 Nov 2002 09:31

Bebelplatz, Berlin : below ground level is a memorial which marks the book burning that occurred there in 1933. The memorial is a library with empty shelves.

http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/gallery/ber.htm
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O Holocaust, My Holocaust...

Post by Scott Smith » 07 Nov 2002 09:33

Goebbels burning books was a propaganda stunt. For something to actually be banned we need evidence of the books on police or customs lists or that the books are absolutely unavailable in libraries or for sale during those times. I'm not really seeing that evidence with this "list." Of course Nazi Germany didn't publish books by Jews during this period, but the Bundestablishment doesn't allow "Nazi" books to be published now either, a rather selective morality if you ask me.
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Post by Max » 07 Nov 2002 10:05

Scott
Check this
[Sorry no link yet]

Liste des schadlichen und unerwünschten Schriftums (Stand vom 31 Dezember 1938 und Jahreslisted 1939-1941) "List of Harmful and Unwanted Writings, as of 31 December 1938, with annual updates 1939-1941"), Ernst Hedrich Nachf. in Leipzig (Reprinted by Topos Verlag AG, Vaduz Liechtenstein, 1979).

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Post by tonyh » 07 Nov 2002 12:11

Books are still banned today or are no published due to pressure. The only thing thats changed is the fire. :cry:

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Post by witness » 07 Nov 2002 12:33

Scott Smith wrote:Goebbels burning books was a propaganda stunt. For something to actually be banned we need evidence of the books on police or customs lists or that the books are absolutely unavailable in libraries or for sale during those times. I'm not really seeing that evidence with this "list." Of course Nazi Germany didn't publish books by Jews during this period, but the Bundestablishment doesn't allow "Nazi" books to be published now either, a rather selective morality if you ask me.
:)

Oh Yes !.. Whatever the Nazis did had to have some reasonable explanation Scott -"propaganda stunt " :lol:
We just need to be a little lenient to them.
Of course this kind of a propaganda stunt had nothing to do with
your favourite "Thought crime " wording of "1984'' :wink:
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Post by paddywhack » 07 Nov 2002 12:58

they burned h g wells!!!!!! why would they do that i mean i dont realy see how his books could offend them!!! or am i missing something??? 8O

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Post by witness » 07 Nov 2002 13:03

Music was not to be spared as well..
Nazi Germany's Official Position Regarding Jazz Music ca 1938:
DEPARTMENT OF POPULAR EDUCATION AND ART


Conditions Governing the Grant of Licenses for Dance Music

NEGROID: Belonging to a Negro race. This includes the African Negroes (and also those living outside of Africa), also Pygmies, Bushmen and Hottentots. NEGRITO: In the wider sense of the term, the short-statured, curly or frizzy-haired, dark-skinned inhabitants of Southeastern Asia, Melanesia and Central Africa.


1. Music: The Embargo on Negroid and Negrito Factors in dance Music and Music for Entertainments.


2. Introduction: The following regulations are intended to indicate the revival of the European spirit in the music played in this country for dances and amusements, by freeing the latter from the elements of that primitive Negroid and/or Negrito music, which may be justly regarded as being in flagrant conflict with the European conception of music. These regulations constitute a transitory measure born of practical considerations and which must of necessity precede a general revival.


3. Prohibition: It is forbidden to play in public music which possesses to a marked degree characteristic features of the method of improvisation, execution, composition and arrangement adopted by Negroes and colored people. It is forbidden in publications, reports, programs, printed or verbal announcements, etc.:


(a) to describe music played or to be played with the words "jazz" or "jazz music."


(b) to use the technical jargon described below, except in reference to or as a description of the instrumental and vocal dance music of the North American Negroes.


Exceptions may Be permitted where such music is intended for a strictly scientific or strictly educational purpose and where such music is interpreted by persons having two or more Negroid or Negritic grandparents.


4. Descripton of The Main Characteristic Features of the Above-Mentioned Music which Differ from the European Conception of Music: The use of tonally undefined mordents, Ostentatious trills, double-stopping or ascendant glissandi, obtained in the Negro style by excessive vibrato, lip technique and/or shaking of the musical instrument. In jazz terminology, the effects known as "dinge," "smear" and "whip." Also the use of intentional vocalization of an instrumental tone by imitating a throaty sound. In jazz terminology, the adoption of the "growl" on brass wind instruments, and also the "scratchy" clarinet tone. Also the use of any intentional instrumentalization of the singing voice by substituting senseless syllables for the words in the text by "metalizing" the voice. In jazz terminology, so-called "scat" singing and the vocal imitation of brass wind instruments. Also the use in Negro fashion of harshly timbred and harshly dynamic intonations unless already described. In jazz terminology, the use of "hot" intonations. Also the use in Negro fashion of dampers on brass and woodwind instruments in which the formation of the tone is achieved in solo items with more than the normal pressure. This does not apply to saxophones or trombones. Likewise forbidden, in the melody, is any melody formed in the manner characteristic of Negro players, and which can be unmistakably recognized.


5. Expressly Forbidden: The adoption in Negro fashion of short motifs of exaggerated pitch and rhythm, repeated more than three times without interruption by a solo instrument (or soloist), or more than sixteen times in succession without interruption by a group of instruments played by a band. In jazz terminology, any adoption of "licks" and "riffs" repeated more than three times in succession by a soloist or more than sixteen times for one section or for two or more sections. Also the exaggeration of Negroid bass forms, based on the broken tritone. In jazz terminology, the "boogie-woogie," "honky tonk" or "barrelhouse" style.


6. Instruments Banned: Use of very primitive instruments such as the Cuban Negro "quijada" (jaw of a donkey) and the North American Negro "washboard." Also the use of rubber mutes (plungers) for wind brass instruments, the imitation of a throaty tone in the use of mutes which, whether accompanied by any special movement of the hand or not, effect an imitation of a nasal sound. In jazz terminology, use of "plungers" and "Wah Wah" dampers. The so-called "tone color" mutes may, however, be used.


Also the playing in Negro fashion of long, drawn-out percussion solos or an imitation thereof for more than two or four three-time beats, more frequently than three times or twice in the course of 32 successive beats in a complete interpretation. In jazz terminology, "stop choruses" by percussion instruments, except brass cymbals. There is no objection to providing a chorus with percussion solos in places where a break could also come, but at not more than three such places.


Also the use of a constant, long drawn-out exaggerated tonal emphasis on the second and fourth beats in 4/4 time. In jazz terminology, the use of the long drawn-out "off beat" effect.

http://www.glass-artist.co.uk/music/his ... ijazz.html

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