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Book burning

Post by Lobscouse » 09 Nov 2002 05:57

Here, in Canada, we are much more civilized than those who would burn books - we ban their importation. Our government decided some years ago that individual Canadians were unable to detect what was good for us and what was not. So, in order to help us select a healthy library for ourselves, Canada Customs created a list of all that was bad for Canadians to read. They had help from "the usual suspects" I suspect!

So do be careful when entering Canada, as you could lose a favourite book or magazine.

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Re: Book burning - Canada 2002

Post by Der Maresal » 09 Nov 2002 06:33

Your absolutely Right, and because you noticed it you are not an ordinary Canadian -
In Germany back then - if those books were burned that meant that they were available and could be found! But today it it much easier to block a book or to stop printing it -
I tried to find books of DAVID IRVING - England's controversial Historian in Chapters Store, Canada's Greatest Bookshop and all his books - his many books are "suddenly" no longer available - out of print -
- Hitler's War - Our of print and Unaivalable
- Distruction of Dresden - Our of print and Unaivalable
*So is the mother of all books - "Mein Kampf" - also "Unavailable"

I blaim it on Mrs.Reismann - the Jewish Owner of Chapters-Indigo Bookstores who - under the pretext "racism/bigotry" banned Mein Kampf -This is political - maybe this has to do with the war in the middle east these days and "Mrs.Reisman" does not want any comparisons drawn between what is written in Mein Kampf and ..'Zionist Racism" today - who knows it could be that.
I don't blaim anyone for burning books - it is a practice done by anybody who wants that particular piece of the past errased - It was done again in 1945 - Much German history had been burned, errased and re-written again - to this day.

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Post by Caldric » 09 Nov 2002 06:34

This is the reason I love my country! :mrgreen:

How many copies of Irving do you need?

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Porn books on the pyre???

Post by varjag » 09 Nov 2002 13:02

Enormously impressed by Hans's list of German writers burned - contemporary accounts suggest that tons on pornographic books were also tossed on the fire. De Sade, Apollinaire etc. etc. Is this correct or just 'nazi propaganda' to justify what did happen?

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Re: Porn books on the pyre???

Post by Scott Smith » 09 Nov 2002 14:04

varjag wrote:Enormously impressed by Hans's list of German writers burned - contemporary accounts suggest that tons on pornographic books were also tossed on the fire. De Sade, Apollinaire etc. etc. Is this correct or just 'nazi propaganda' to justify what did happen?

Part of the Nazi program was to clean up filth and degeneracy. The problem is that one person's filth is another person's art, as well as who produced these vanities and why, which weighs heavily on whether something goes on the bonfire. Who decides?
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Post by kobold » 09 Nov 2002 16:16

tonyh wrote:"2000AD", a British comic, is going to reprint a story from another British comic, "Battle", soon. The story called 'Darkie's Mob' is about British troops in the Pacific. It appeared first in 1978. But its going to be reprinted with words censored. So I 'spose "Jap" and "Nip" will be absent from the 2002 version. So British troops in the Pacific didn't say these words at all, eh!


Tony


Of course we didn't old chep! We are British after all.

did you see John Mills talk like that in his war movies-of course not! :D
Ah one can imagine the common cockney soldier in a fox hole in somewhere in asia...

"They killed Tommy! Blimey Sir, those pesky oriental fellows aren't very sporting are they?"
"Now now Pvt Atkins, they are just decent fellows like you or I, only they chose the wrong side in this dreadful war-it's not their fault"


Man, a PC 2000ad hehe .
can't wait - do you know what issue/date this story will be started?


I remember from childhood, in the old "Commando" comics , that all Japanese Officers were called "Captain San" - San must be the Japanese for Smith I thought - till i learned it was just an honorific title :oops:



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Book burning and banning

Post by Lobscouse » 09 Nov 2002 20:11

Most Canadians are quite satisfied with the efforts of Canada Customs in keeping our thoughts pure and free from sin. Just so long as they do not
deny us our TV Guide and the sports pages, that would really raise a storm, and probably result in a flood of letters to our members of parliament.
The only voice raised in defence of free speech is that of the lesbian bookshop Little Sisters, in Vancouver, and is heard whenever Customs
intercept a shipment of books that are judged to be offensive. The owners of that store do not take it lying down (no pun intended) but fight it, tooth and nail.
As for the rest of us, neo-nazis, anti-semites, anarchists, monarchists,
falangists, deniers, skeptics, Missourians, and just plain old wankers - well, we prefer to remain anonymous. Its safer too.

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Post by Bill Medland » 09 Nov 2002 21:20

Hi Lobscouse, I had a laugh at your last post, thanks :D

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Post by Dan » 09 Nov 2002 21:51

Missourians


He'll have to prove that one to me!

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The Show Me State

Post by Lobscouse » 09 Nov 2002 22:20

Dan.
What is the origin of that?

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Post by Dan » 09 Nov 2002 22:48

Inside joke. The people from Missouri have a saying "I'm from Missouri, and you'll have to prove it to me". They like to see themselves as sceptical.

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Post by Lobscouse » 10 Nov 2002 04:52

Thank you, Bill for the compliment and Dan for your knowledge of the great republic to the south of us.

Oops, sorry Caldric, and to the NW of us.

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Post by Max » 10 Nov 2002 11:47

Bill Medland wrote

Book Burning was very popular in post war Germany too!
Here are a couple of books from my private collection which escaped
the 1945 book purge. Including one I am proud to own with
the signature of Dr.Robert Ley.



Bill
In this context, just what do you you mean by proud?
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Post by witness » 10 Nov 2002 12:10

Robert Ley, the son of poor peasants, was born in Niederbreidenbach, on 15th February, 1890. He was a military aviator during the First World War but was shot down over France in 1917 and spent over two years as a prisoner of war.

After the war Ley worked as a chemist but was sacked because of his serious drink problem. He joined the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP) in 1925 and later that year became Gauleiter for Rhineland South.

In 1932 Ley replaced the murdered Gregor Strasser as leader of the Reich Organization. He also began publishing the Nazi journal Westdeutscher Beobachter.

On 2nd May, 1933, Adolf Hitler ordered the arrest of Germany's trade union leaders. He then gave Ley the task of forming the German Labour Front (DAF) to replace the now outlawed trade unions. Ley confiscated union funds and used the money to fund the Strength through Joy programme.

After the war Ley was charged with war crimes. While awaiting trial in Nuremberg Ley wrote a statement denouncing Anti-Semitism and then hanged himself in his cell on 25th October, 1945.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERley.htm
Who was Dr.Robert Ley?

• The son of a farmer, Dr.Robert Ley was a student who joined WW1 and became a pilot.
• He was proud of his lowly origins and was hostile to middle and upper-class customs..
• In WW1 he was injured and suffered slight brain damage that caused a stutter.
• He worked as a Chemist with IG Farben before being dismissed for drunken behaviour.
• He joined the Nazi party in 1924 and some rose to become Gaultier of Cologne (1928).
• Ley saw Hitler as the new 'Messiah' and quickly gained his trust.
• Elected to the Reichstag in 1930, he was a good speaker and rabble-rouser.
• However, his power lay in organisation - he partly responsible for rallies such as Nuremberg, etc.
• From 1933 he was leader of DAF, The German Labour Front
• For 12 years he built up a huge vast union of workers that were rarely co-ordinated and where the social radicalism within never really took off.
• Nicknamed 'Reich Drunkard', his only real success was in lining his own pockets and for pursuing a lavish lifestyle.

http://www.kdhs.org.uk/history/as/as_unit3/ley.htm

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Re: The Show Me State

Post by Scott Smith » 10 Nov 2002 12:12

Lobscouse wrote:Dan. What is the origin of that?

Here is a link about Missouri's unofficial sogan, "the Show-Me State," which is on their car license plates.
:)

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