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Post by ghostsoldier » 30 Aug 2007 02:46

David (do you mind if I call you that? :) ),

Thanks for the data...that is very interesting to know! :)

Potsdamerplatz wrote:The DHM already confirmed in an earlier e-mail that the desk on display was indeed Hitler's and came from the Reichskanzlei.


Did they happen to say in that email how they came to be in possession of the desk from the Reichskanzlei?
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Post by ihoyos » 30 Aug 2007 15:18

In that era, this kind of globes were vey common.
This photo is from the Librarie of Scott Field US Army Corps in 1942
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Post by Potsdamerplatz » 31 Aug 2007 15:42

ghostsoldier wrote:David (do you mind if I call you that? :) ),

Thanks for the data...that is very interesting to know! :)

Potsdamerplatz wrote:The DHM already confirmed in an earlier e-mail that the desk on display was indeed Hitler's and came from the Reichskanzlei.


Did they happen to say in that email how they came to be in possession of the desk from the Reichskanzlei?
Rob



Dear Rob and fellow researchers ~

I requested some additional information from the DHM several days ago on Hitler's desk and here is the reply I received earlier today. I have attempted to translate this on Babelfish but it is a very muddled translation and I don't want to risk posting information which could be inaccurate so I suggest we wait until Reichssammler or one of our native German members comes online later and they can hopefully translate for us. :idea: :)

Sehr geehrter Herr Busch,

im Folgenden finden Sie einige Hinweise zum Hitler-Schreibtisches aus der Neuen Reichskanzlei. Genauere Angaben zum Verbleib zwischen 1945 und 1948 liegen uns nicht vor.

Nach Auskunft von einer Augenzeugin (Frau Ranzt) waren die Möbel aus der Neuen Reichskanzlei 1944/45 in Schloss Augustusburg im Erzgebirge eingelagert. 1945 erfolgte der Abtransport durch russische Soldaten.

Eine Übergabe aus russischer in amerikanische Obhut muss zwischen 1945 und 1948 stattgefunden haben, lässt sich
aber nicht nachweisen.

Die Inventarisierung des Schreibtisches erfolgte am 11. März 1948 am Herrenchiemsee. Die Angaben auf der alten Karteikarte lauten: "Münchner Sammlung, Eingangsdatum 11.03.1948, Mü.-Nr. 46369 Herrenchiemsee 336".

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Leonore Koschnick


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>>> <potsdamerplatz_berlin@*******.com> 30.08.2007 04:40:51 >>>
Dear Dr Asmuss,

Many thanks for your quick and informative reply regarding my question about
the globe from the Reich Foreign Ministry which is currently displayed in
the Zeughaus.

I hope you don't mind me asking you one further question regarding one of
your exhibits.

Do you know what became of Hitler's desk from his study in the Neue
Reichskanzlei after 1945 and how it became to be displayed in the DHM?

I had always believed that the desk was destroyed by Soviet troops in May
1945. Was there restoration done in recent years or is the current exhibit a
spare desk from the Chancellery? Was the desk perhaps missing or in storage
for many years or was it on display somewhere else?

Any information you can give me would be most helpful and thanks once again
for your previous reply. It is very much appreciated.

I lived in Berlin for many months in 2002 and unfortunately never had the
opportunity to visit the Zeughaus as restoration work was being carried out on
the building. However, I am planning to return to Berlin in spring 2008 and
it will definitely be top of my list for museums to visit.

I am very much interested in German History and am planning to study for a
degree in 20th Century Military & Political History at the University of
Strathclyde next year.

Kind regards,

David B
--
Deutsches Historisches Museum-GmbH
Sitz: Berlin
HRB 27366
AG Charlottenburg


I must say the historical experts at the DHM are very helpful, although I have found this to be the case at all German museums I have contacted by letter or e-mail :D

Kind regards.

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Post by ghostsoldier » 31 Aug 2007 16:45

I'm looking forward to the 'translation", if you will, by our German members! Thanks for the info, David... :)
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Post by Reichssammler » 31 Aug 2007 20:12

Potsdamerplatz wrote:
Sehr geehrter Herr Busch,

im Folgenden finden Sie einige Hinweise zum Hitler-Schreibtisches aus der Neuen Reichskanzlei. Genauere Angaben zum Verbleib zwischen 1945 und 1948 liegen uns nicht vor.

Nach Auskunft von einer Augenzeugin (Frau Ranzt) waren die Möbel aus der Neuen Reichskanzlei 1944/45 in Schloss Augustusburg im Erzgebirge eingelagert. 1945 erfolgte der Abtransport durch russische Soldaten.

Eine Übergabe aus russischer in amerikanische Obhut muss zwischen 1945 und 1948 stattgefunden haben, lässt sich
aber nicht nachweisen.

Die Inventarisierung des Schreibtisches erfolgte am 11. März 1948 am Herrenchiemsee. Die Angaben auf der alten Karteikarte lauten: "Münchner Sammlung, Eingangsdatum 11.03.1948, Mü.-Nr. 46369 Herrenchiemsee 336".

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Leonore Koschnick


Dr. Leonore Koschnick
Deutsches Historisches Museum
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- Graphische Sammlung
Unter den Linden 2
10117 Berlin
Tel. ++49(0)30 20304-290
Fax ++49(0)30 20304-543



Dear Mr.Busch,
you will find some informations about Hitlers desk in the following text.
We haven´t any precise infos about the whereabout between 1945 and 1948.

A Eyewitness (Frau Rantz) has told that the furniture of the Reichskanzlei was stored in Castle Augustusburg in the Erzgebirge since 1944/1945. Then 1945 the russians have taken all the furniture (personal commentar: :x ).

Between 1945 and 1948 the US got some things from the russians, no precise infos about that.
Since 11th march 1948 the desk was listed in the archives,Herrenchiemsee.
The original text from the inventory card: "munich collection,item got in 11.03.1948 Mü.-Nr. 46369 Herrenchiemsee 336".

best regards
Leonore Koschnick

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Post by Potsdamerplatz » 31 Aug 2007 21:19

Thanks Reichssammler for the translation. :)

A Eyewitness (Frau Rantz) has told that the furniture of the Reichskanzlei was stored in Castle Augustusburg in the Erzgebirge since 1944/1945.


So it looks like most of the furniture from the Reichskanzlei, including Hitler's desk, was removed from the building and placed in safe storage before the Soviet offensive on Berlin.

This would mean that the desk in Hitler's study which was broken up by Russian soldiers for souvenirs in May 1945 was probably a low-quality replacement and not the magnificent desk seen in photographs earlier on in the thread.

Also, the furniture from Hitler's private quarters in the Fuhrerbunker was low-quality - cheap wooden tables and chairs. The expensive furniture, tapestries and paintings had obviously all been removed to protect them from the Allied air-raids on Berlin and the impending Soviet offensive.

This would explain why so little "war booty" was recovered from the Reichskanzlei by Allied troops after Germany's capitulation.

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Post by Reichssammler » 31 Aug 2007 21:46

And I now I know why we haven´t seen so much furniture in the pics of the RK ruin after the war...the russians got only a small piece from the inner of the Reichskanzlei, but they got the rest of this great woodwork from "Vereinigte Werkstätten..."
Wow, if they haven´t found the storage in Augustusburg then we could have a new sensation in our century ;)

Here´s a link with the complete list of the Reichskanzlei items that have been stored in Augustusburg.
http://www.repage8.de/member/piraterie1/hitler.html

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Post by ghostsoldier » 03 Sep 2007 23:21

Now if we rebuild the Reichskanzlei, we will have most of the original furniture to go back in it! Or, at least know where it is being kept!
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Hitler's/Truman's Globe

Post by Johnnyrocket » 06 Sep 2007 21:24

I'm looking through "Vogue for Men" last night, and guess what...I found a globe just like AH had (?) Looks like Harry had one too (Photo image circa 1951).

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Post by ghostsoldier » 07 Sep 2007 03:46

That thing seems to be "globe"-trotting! :D
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"The Galloping Globe"...

Post by Johnnyrocket » 07 Sep 2007 14:25

ghostsoldier wrote:That thing seems to be "globe"-trotting! :D
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It's "The Galloping Globe"...Hehehehe:-)

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Post by ihoyos » 07 Sep 2007 16:03

may be it is THE GLOBAL globe.

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Post by ihoyos » 07 Sep 2007 16:05

Trivia: If the entry point of the bullet into the globe was in Germany. Where is the exit hole?

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Post by ghostsoldier » 07 Sep 2007 16:20

ihoyos wrote:Trivia: If the entry point of the bullet into the globe was in Germany. Where is the exit hole?


Good question...but it would depend on the angle of entry when the bullet was fired... :wink:
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Post by Reichssammler » 07 Sep 2007 18:10

The bullet is still in there...the DHM has taken some pics of the bullet in 2005 but I can´t find one of them at google.

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