Reichskanzlei Thread

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Re: Reichskanzlei Thread

Post by Adam Carr » 25 May 2011 10:21

How do we know it's a general? How do we know it was taken at the NRK, or indeed in Berlin?

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Re: Reichskanzlei Thread

Post by Vicctor » 25 May 2011 10:49

Court of Honor of the New Reich Chancellery. And on a uniform, at increase, general buttonholes are obviously visible.


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Post by Halfdan S. » 25 May 2011 11:45

His trousers aswell I believe - I'm not that much into uniforms, but I'm quite sure they are generals-trousers (maybe even Generalstabs, but not sure about this) ...

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Re: Reichskanzlei Thread

Post by ghostsoldier » 25 May 2011 17:01

Adam Carr wrote:How do we know it's a general? How do we know it was taken at the NRK, or indeed in Berlin?
Same time, same place..... :)

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Re: Reichskanzlei Thread

Post by AlainDucasse » 16 Jun 2011 13:30

Does somebody know which part of the Reichskanzlei is on the pic?
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Post by muller1945 » 18 Jun 2011 09:14

The photo with the general in it looks pure fantasy to me, the court of honour had know soil in it.

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Re: Reichskanzlei Thread

Post by robertmountfor » 19 Jun 2011 02:30

CLEARLY THIS IS A GENERAL OFFICER. YOU CAN SEE THE UNIQUE GOLDEN COLLAR INSIGNIA DENOTING GENERAL RANK. ALSO VISIBLE IS HIS IRON CROSS 1939 SPANGE. HOWEVER AS PER THE INFAMOUS FAKED DEAD IMAGE OF THE FUEHRER AKA HERR WEILER THIS COULD JUST BE A BODY PUT IN PLACE FOR PROPOGANDA EFFECT, AS NOTE THE INCORRECT SS VISOR CAP PLACED NEXT TO A WEHRMACHT GENERAL.

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Re: Reichskanzlei Thread

Post by Adam Carr » 19 Jun 2011 10:58

Who was Herr Weiler?

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Post by nobodyofnote » 19 Jun 2011 11:30

Adam Carr wrote:Who was Herr Weiler?
I think Robert might be referring to Gustav Weler, a body-double of Adolf Hitler who was killed during the fall of Berlin, and whose identity confused Soviet troops for a number of days.

I too have my suspicions with the aforementioned photo.

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Post by Red star » 19 Jun 2011 15:02

Probably misters mean this corpse ? :)
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Post by Adam Carr » 19 Jun 2011 23:28

Weler's corpse may have confused some Soviet troops, but it didn't confuse the NKVD, who found and identified the remains of Hitler and Goebbels as soon as they took control of the Fuhrerbunker.

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Re: Reichskanzlei Thread

Post by punkyto » 20 Jun 2011 02:28

Hola amigos!!!

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Re: Reichskanzlei Thread

Post by Johnnyrocket » 21 Jun 2011 00:38

WOW, wish I had found this sooner...but at least we can see what we could have gotten for approx. $6,000...

Auction link:

http://www.cowanauctions.com/auctions/i ... emId=60059

Bronze Wall Sconce/Rich Chancery/Berlin...(Hitler's Office)
cast bronze in Roman Empire style with two Fax (Roman Torch) arms, paper shades that slip over the light bulbs, stamped 10 twice on reverse with mounting holes, 21.3" x 33.75" high.

This sconce, along with an unknown number of similar sconces, was liberated from Hitler's office in the Reich's Chancellery after the fall of Berlin. Together with extensive documentation from Mutual European war correspondent Kathryn Cravens (1898-1991) detailing the circumstances under which the sconce was collected.

In the years before the war, Cravens had a long career acting in both films and later in radio. In 1931, she became the director of "The Woman's Hour" on KMOX radio in St. Louis, which later became "News Through a Woman's Eyes," with Cravens becoming one of the first acknowledged woman news commentators. With the outbreak of WWII, she became the first accredited woman war correspondent, and along with Allied Troops, entered Berlin at its fall - the first such woman to enter the city.

In an undated, seven page hand-written account of how she acquired the sconce, Cravens relates how she was given a Jeep and a GI escort to accompany her as she went about pursuing stories in post-war Berlin. Two places were at the top of her list: the Reich's Chancellery and Hitler's bunker, both located in the Russian Zone. When she arrived at the Reich's Chancellery, it was guarded by Russian troops, but her press credentials allowed her to pass to view the badly damaged interior. In her account she relates: In Hitler's office his great marble desk still sat among the debris....Behind Hitler's desk, a sconce, gold-leafed and bronze half hung to the wall. I started towards it and fell on the slippery floor. The GIs helped me up. "I want that sconce" I said. "Let's cut those wires and take it down." Knowing that the Russians would never allow the sconce to be removed, Cravens and her GI escorts devised a ruse to distract the attention of the guards. Faking a fall and screaming for help, Cravens lay near the entrance, and when the Russian Guards came to her assistance, the GIs accompanying her spirited the sconce out of the building to their waiting Jeep and back to the safety of the American Zone. The sconce was subsequently shipped back to the United States.

Additionally, the lot is accompanied by two 8" x 10" press photos of Cravens, one showing her in uniform, along with photocopies of the sconce in place in the Reich's Chancellery. (Copy Wording: From Auction Site Description of Sconce)



I came across this on a surfing adventure today, through the net, thought I would post for my Forum Buddies
I notice right off the bat that the shades are not accurate, I'm sure they have been repaced at a later date.

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Re: Reichskanzlei Thread

Post by Johnnyrocket » 21 Jun 2011 01:04

As you can see the shades were a bit bigger that what is shown on the sale item.

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Re: Reichskanzlei Thread

Post by ghostsoldier » 21 Jun 2011 03:31

Wow. That sconce is awesome, JR! :)
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