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Post by Keir » 28 Apr 2011, 09:58

Traudl Junge, Hitler's youngest personal private secretary ( December 1942 to April 1945) and subject of the film Der Untergang.
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The grave of Hitler's official photographer. The stone refers to him as "Professor", a title given him by Hitler in 1938. It was Hoffmann and his second wife Erna who introduced Hitler to Eva Braun, his studio assistant at the time.
Also buried here is his daughter Henriette who had married Reichsjugendführer Baldur von Schirach. Irving in Hitler's War records the following exchange between her and Hitler at the Berghof:
A few days after Himmler’s visit, Baldur von Schirach and his pretty wife Henriette were in Hitler’s house party. They joined the fireside circle, slumped in the deep armchairs in the semi-darkness. While Hitler sipped his special tea and the others their wine or cognac, Henriette exclaimed that she had just witnessed at Amsterdam the loading of Jews into open trucks for deportation.
‘Do you know about it?’ she asked. ‘Do you permit it?’
Hitler retorted, ‘They are being driven off to work, so you needn’t pity them. Meantime our soldiers are fighting and dying on the battlefields!’ Later he added, ‘Let me tell you something. This is a set of scales’ – and he put up a hand on each side like the pans. – ‘Germany has lost half a million of her finest manhood on the battlefield. Am I to preserve and minister to these others? I want something of our race to survive a thousand years from now.’ He reproached her: ‘You must learn how to hate!’
The Schirachs were still there the next evening, June 24, when Goebbels wickedly brought the fireside conversation around to Vienna. Until after four a.m. Hitler drew savage comparisons between Schirach’s Viennese and Goebbels’s Berliners until tears welled up in Henriette’s eyes: the Berliners, he said, were hard-working, intelligent, and politically shrewd. Goebbels wrote, ‘Frau von Schirach in particular acted like a silly cow . . . and later summed up her unhappiness by saying that she wanted to go back to Munich with her husband and would the Führer send [Gauleiter] Giesler to Vienna instead.’‘Tell me,’ Hitler challenged her,‘is your husband our Reich representative in Vienna – or is he Vienna’s man in the Reich?’ The Schirachs departed in a huff the same night, and never saw Hitler again.
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Post by Keir » 28 Apr 2011, 17:07

The grave of Hitler's favourite architect. The photos can be compared to those taken with Hitler at http://www.thirdreichruins.com/munich5.htm.
"In Munich Hitler spent many hours in the studio of Professor Troost, his favourite architect" (Bullock, 387) who had designed the Haus Deutschen Kunst. According to Albert Speer,
The Führer found in the irreplaceable artist Paul Ludwig Troost, his architect. Troost understood how to utilise Hitler's intentions and how to provide the correct architectural form. The Führer during his great speech at the cultural meeting of the Reich Party in 1935, delivered a memorial to Professor Troost which could not have been a more beautiful tribute to an architect of our times, Hitler said: We should be filled with happy pride that through a strange fate Germany possessed the greatest architect since Schinkel, in the new Reich and for the movement. He erected his first and unfortunately his only tremendous works in stone as monuments of true Germanic and Teutonic purity.
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Re: The Munich Thread

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Post by ihoyos » 28 Apr 2011, 19:06

I am doing some virtual tours in Munich using Google Earth interactive maps. Is like you are driving a car thru that historic city.
But, some buildings. ( I mean the facade of the bulding), is covered for a blurry pane , I think Google do this because are buildings related to Nazi era. The store where use to be the Sterneckerbraukeller, the Hitler,s appartment building are example of this.
But there is a building in Brienner Strasse. at right side driving toward Karolinenplatz, with that blurry cover.
Does any body knows what is the relation of that building and the Third Reich. ( is not the place of the Brown House) 1/4 of mile ahead. More reference is left side of Monaco Consulate.

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Post by Keir » 28 Apr 2011, 20:49

This served as the headquarters of the Upper Bavarian branch of the German Labour Front at Brienner Straße 26–28 when, in 1935, the KDF took over the business premises and house of the Jewish antiquarian bookseller Jacques Rosenthal who was forced to sell the building to the Reich Leadership of the NSDAP for well below its value.
I took photos of other places around Karolinenplatz such as the former NSDAP Accounting Office, offices of the Legal Department of the NSDAP, et cet at http://tinyurl.com/69l7ou9
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Post by ghostsoldier » 28 Apr 2011, 20:51

Great photos! :)
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Post by Erich S » 29 Apr 2011, 00:13

I read that Grimminger's grave now belongs to another person and his marker has been removed.

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Post by Keir » 29 Apr 2011, 06:57

I was reading in the NY Times last month an article deriding the Greeks' 'barbarism' for doing the same thing- reusing final resting places. I'm not sure how they determine who loses their own grave, unless they have to get an eternal direct debit account.
This grave is one of the most grandiose that I came across at Nordfriedhof, belonging to Max Wünsche, an Obersturmbannführer in the Waffen SS who was awarded the Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves. He held the position of SS Standartenführer and served as Hitler’s adjutant. Irving acknowledged the importance of his diary entries to his research from June 16 to Nov 20, 1938 listing the Hitler’s appointments and decisions.
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Post by Annelie » 29 Apr 2011, 14:24

I'm not sure how they determine who loses their own grave, unless they have to get an eternal direct debit account.
Your correct Keir. At least in Berlin I know the graves usually have an 20 year lease if I could use that
term. If the lease is not renewed then another has an opportunity to use the site. Not very easily
understood when compared to other countries.

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Post by ihoyos » 29 Apr 2011, 21:02

"I'm not sure how they determine who loses their own grave, unless they have to get an eternal direct debit account."


I wonder who is paying for the graves of the Hitler's parents. ??

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Post by Erich S » 30 Apr 2011, 00:16

Hitler's parents are buried in Austria so maybe the laws are different there. I guess it just comes down to a finite amount of land available for graves.

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Post by Oberhessin » 06 Jun 2011, 11:47

There are two new approaches to nationalsocialist Munich to read, to hear, to download and to take a walk through the city:

An audio-guide on the history of NS-Architecture
http://www.ns-dokumentationszentrum-mue ... udioguides

and a tour to 36 places of memories and remembrance in downtown Munich.

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Post by Keir » 19 Jun 2011, 21:52

I've been learning how to use Photoshop in time for the final school assembly of the year after taking my students up to Berlin, and today I've been fooling around with photos from Munich which I thought I'd share (there not being any thread to Photoshop creations specifically that I could find).
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Post by Keir » 19 Jun 2011, 21:54

Sterneckerbrau on Tal and the Karlstor; the latter incorporating photos from two separate events (I think I cheated by using an image from the other side of the gate)
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Post by Keir » 19 Jun 2011, 22:00

The Glyptothek (I did another one for my site with SA but it looks even poorer than these attempts I'm sharing) and the Osteria Italia
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