The Munich Thread

panzerplatten · Post by **panzerplatten** » 16 Mar 2012 03:14

http://forum.axishistory.com/download/f ... &id=274295

Geoff Walden · Post by **Geoff Walden** » 19 Mar 2012 19:34

Does anyone have any contacts at the Bayerisches Hauptstaatsarchiv and/or the Staatsarchiv München? I want to visit both Archives and view and copy some documents there, but I would like to "pave the way" beforehand. I can look up the contacts on the internet (and have done so), but I would much rather deal with someone who has experience researching in these Archives, or who can put me in contact with someone "on the inside" who can help me, rather than to just send them a request out of the blue. Please send me an IM if you can help - thanks!

Oberhessin · Post by **Oberhessin** » 22 Mar 2012 09:09

Geoff, I sent you a message...

If somebody is in Munich around the 19th. of April, I will talk about the former Bormann-Siedlung and its inhabitants in Pullach, Townhouse.

panzerplatten · Post by **panzerplatten** » 23 Mar 2012 08:15

Breakfast?
http://forum.axishistory.com/download/f ... &id=274957

panzerplatten · Post by **panzerplatten** » 23 Mar 2012 08:18

700euro for this reproduction enigma I spotted in shop window.
http://forum.axishistory.com/download/f ... &id=274957

panzerplatten · Post by **panzerplatten** » 23 Mar 2012 09:39

Another shop paradise for collectors,
http://forum.axishistory.com/download/f ... &id=274961

b14ck · Post by **b14ck** » 03 Jul 2012 09:42

Hitler in Munich

Geoff Walden · Post by **Geoff Walden** » 03 Jul 2012 10:04

Why was Julius Streicher the "leader" of the annual 9th Nov. marches? Most of the time he was seen out front, even in front of Grimminger and the Blutfahne color guard. What did Streicher do on 9 Nov. 1923 to merit this seeming position of honor in the marches, or why was he out front?

Mannheim · Post by **Mannheim** » 04 Jul 2012 00:37

I recall a discussion of the bearers of the Blood Flag on this forum some time ago Geoff and it might be here:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 6&start=30 although to be truthful I only did a quick search as I am in a bit of a hurry this morning.

Mannheim · Post by **Mannheim** » 04 Jul 2012 01:01

While I'm on the subject, I was in Munich in 2010 and one Sunday there was some sort of anti-nuclear demonstration in the Konigsplatz. I was amused at the irony of seeing it once again filled with flags and agitated people. However, perhaps because of the demonstration the gate to the rear of the Fuhrerbau was left open and unattended. What's a bloke to do? I immediately forgot any German I knew and walked through, planning on being a lost tourist if challenged which I was not. I took photos of everything, especially the site of the Brown House. Having seen no photos of the back of the Fuhrerbau, I took plenty and was surprised at the amount of spang damage still present. On previous trips the Brown House site had been a hole in the ground and while construction is continuing there wasn't a lot of evidence of the area changing all that much although I'm surprised that the remains of the Ehrentempel are still untouched. Anyway, for what it's worth, here are the photos. I will post them in two separate posts so as not to upset the moderators. If anyone wants to see the lot, please just indicate to that effect.

Mannheim · Post by **Mannheim** » 04 Jul 2012 01:09

Second lot. I was sort of half-hoping to find evidence of the tunnel from the Fuhrerbau but the best I could do was the drain cover in the second photo.

Geoff Walden · Post by **Geoff Walden** » 04 Jul 2012 09:33

Mannheim wrote:While I'm on the subject, I was in Munich in 2010 and one Sunday there was some sort of anti-nuclear demonstration in the Konigsplatz. I was amused at the irony of seeing it once again filled with flags and agitated people. However, perhaps because of the demonstration the gate to the rear of the Fuhrerbau was left open and unattended. What's a bloke to do? I immediately forgot any German I knew and walked through, planning on being a lost tourist if challenged which I was not. I took photos of everything, especially the site of the Brown House. Having seen no photos of the back of the Fuhrerbau, I took plenty and was surprised at the amount of spang damage still present. On previous trips the Brown House site had been a hole in the ground and while construction is continuing there wasn't a lot of evidence of the area changing all that much although I'm surprised that the remains of the Ehrentempel are still untouched. Anyway, for what it's worth, here are the photos. I will post them in two separate posts so as not to upset the moderators. If anyone wants to see the lot, please just indicate to that effect.

Hi Mannheim,

Thanks for the link - it doesn't say why Streicher was out front, but it gives a LOT of identifications of the men who appeared in those photos.

Mannheim wrote:What's a bloke to do? I immediately forgot any German I knew and walked through, planning on being a lost tourist if challenged which I was not.

One of my favorite "ruses" ... it has worked for me almost every time I had to try it. I even have a German friend who sometimes conveniently forgets his Deutsch when we are together and presented with a similar situation (and he's probably reading this too!)

That area where the Braun Haus was located is all under construction now, building an NS Dokumentation Center (to open late next year or in 2014). I took this photo in May. The Ehrentempel will apparently not be involved, although the work goes pretty close to it (it's at the left in this photo). The excavation has covered the area where Adolf Wagner was buried, so I guess this ends the debate on whether his body was left in the grave after the war (apparently not). The tunnels running beneath there, between the Führerbau and Verwaltungsbau are really pretty far beneath the surface, but at times the entryway into the Ehrentempel basement has been exposed. But it been recovered when I was there in May.

friend_of_Obersalzberg · Post by **friend_of_Obersalzberg** » 04 Jul 2012 15:04

Geoff Walden wrote: One of my favorite "ruses" ... it has worked for me almost every time I had to try it. I even have a German friend who sometimes conveniently forgets his Deutsch when we are together and presented with a similar situation (and he's probably reading this too!)

Hehehehe...we have a saying..."Dumm darf man sein, nur Ideen muß man haben"...it´s in the sense: you may be stupid, you just have to have ideas

Greetings
Ralf

ghostsoldier · Post by **ghostsoldier** » 04 Jul 2012 18:58

I wonder who's idea in Munich governmental circles it was to build the NS Dokumentation Center on the site of the Brown House?

Was it planned that way, or just an ironic coincidence?

Also, does anyone have any images of the planned architectural design of the new center? Does it, by any chance, have any passing resemblance to the Brown House?

Rob

friend_of_Obersalzberg · Post by **friend_of_Obersalzberg** » 04 Jul 2012 22:57

Rob:

http://www.ns-dokumentationszentrum-mue ... rum/neubau

Take a look at the top of the website. This nice white dice should be the new building.
And of course: To built this "Documentation Center" on this area is a sign.
Note: When we were Nazis, we were Nazis out and out. You would have found no "better" Nazis than us. Now we are "Demokraten" and against Nazismus. And you can be sure, now we try, to be the best Demokraten and the best and rigorous fighters against Nazismus in the whole world. Always the extreme....

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No more politics here, I promise.
Greetings
Ralf

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