The Munich Thread

[grassi]

Today you will find the City Hilton and the buildings of the GEMA company and of Deloitte & Touche there.
Maybe this aerial photography will help. It is taken from Richard Bauer, Fliegeralarm. Luftangriffe auf München 1940-1945, Munich 1987, p. 174.

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grassi

[Annelie]

This maybe not applicable but wouldn't Munich City Hall have the plans
to the Bürgerbräukeller and with it all the entrances or planning department? Not
sure the name of department but I had thought all buildings had to be registered with
their plans with the city regardless of their age?

[grassi]

The plans should be available at the Stadtarchiv:
http://www.muenchen.de/rathaus/Stadtver ... rchiv.html

People like Dr. Richard Bauer (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Bauer) or Prof. Winfried Nerdinger (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winfried_Nerdinger) also should know.

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grassi

[GregSingh]

Based on information provided by all participants , most probable scenario is:

Picture 1 (Stone) - in red.
Picture 2 (Arche) - in the middle of green - entry to beer garden.
Picture 3 (Handshake) - in yellow - in front of the "white" building from 1935 route map

Burgerbraukeller.jpg

This fragment of Grieben Stadtplan München shows buildings further down as Bürgerbräukeller, but I think location of actual beer garden is now confirmed by aerial photo.

Burgerbraukeller2.jpg

[grassi]

@GregSingh

Very interesting! Thank you very much!
Never knew that Gallmayerstraße had a direct access to Rosenheimer Platz.
By the way the proportions on the Grieben Stadtplan do not exactly fit to the aerial, although buildings are comparatively marked.

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grassi

[Jeroen7]

Hi guys, thank you all so much. I didn't know photos 1 and 2 are both exits just to the Rosenheimer Strasse. Now I have enough information to make the shots needed for the Now & Then and do those on the best fitting spot where the entrence would be in the 1923-1938 period. Thanx again guys. You will see the result somewhere in September.

As Geoff also says, this pictures is very nice and would love to use that one (if a better size if available). Anyone?

[Jeroen7]

In addition, I found proof that the handshake photo is in front of a building to the left of the stone entrance.
I used the same colour lines. Yellow = handshake, green = stone.
Note 1. The handshake building has 6 windows on the right, the same amount can be found in the proof image.
Note 2. The blue building still exist today and is the last building on the south side of Rosenheimer Strasse.

Source of photo

[Keir]

Took students around Munich today

[Annelie]

Curious, what was their reaction to what was being explained to them
about history. Are they interested? Or, was it one of those mandatory tours?

[Keir]

It was mandatory but they were all interested and good sports. Took them to Dachau today for the whole day and they were very accommodating.

[Keir]

Hitler in triumph down Munich's Maxburgstrasse towards Marienplatz after the return of Memel, March 26, 1939 and today.

[Annelie]

Nice photos Keir, thanks.

First time I took a walking tour with a guide (Irish chap) and I was snapping photos at every building like
an typical tourist and he said......you do realize most of these building are new in the image of the ones
that stood here..I kind of lost my interest

It seems most of the photos you have taken over the last several years are of the original buildings.
How does one know if its original or not?

[Keir]

I think it's interesting reading Ian Fleming- he writes how Munich in the 1950s looks fake- fake prefab yellow buildings taking the place of what once was. On Her Majesty's Secret Service spends some time describing how Munich was rebuilding itself.
When I take people around, I always make it a point to ask them to consider how old Preysing Palais is before showing them this:

[Jeroen7]

How does one know if its original or not?

I will make a video series about that this summer.

[Annelie]

thanks Keir, I think some of us will really appreciate that.

Wow, its hard to visualize how much restoration has taken place on some of these well known places.