The Munich Thread

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Re: The Munich Thread

Post by grassi » 30 Apr 2015 20:39

Today you will find the City Hilton and the buildings of the GEMA company and of Deloitte & Touche there.
Maybe this aerial photography will help. It is taken from Richard Bauer, Fliegeralarm. Luftangriffe auf München 1940-1945, Munich 1987, p. 174.

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Re: The Munich Thread

Post by Annelie » 30 Apr 2015 21:28

This maybe not applicable but wouldn't Munich City Hall have the plans
to the Bürgerbräukeller and with it all the entrances or planning department? Not
sure the name of department but I had thought all buildings had to be registered with
their plans with the city regardless of their age?

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Re: The Munich Thread

Post by grassi » 30 Apr 2015 21:46

The plans should be available at the Stadtarchiv:
http://www.muenchen.de/rathaus/Stadtver ... rchiv.html

People like Dr. Richard Bauer (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Bauer) or Prof. Winfried Nerdinger (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winfried_Nerdinger) also should know.

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Re: The Munich Thread

Post by GregSingh » 01 May 2015 07:36

Based on information provided by all participants , most probable scenario is:

Picture 1 (Stone) - in red.
Picture 2 (Arche) - in the middle of green - entry to beer garden.
Picture 3 (Handshake) - in yellow - in front of the "white" building from 1935 route map
Burgerbraukeller.jpg
This fragment of Grieben Stadtplan München shows buildings further down as Bürgerbräukeller, but I think location of actual beer garden is now confirmed by aerial photo.
Burgerbraukeller2.jpg
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Re: The Munich Thread

Post by grassi » 01 May 2015 22:24

@GregSingh

Very interesting! Thank you very much!
Never knew that Gallmayerstraße had a direct access to Rosenheimer Platz.
By the way the proportions on the Grieben Stadtplan do not exactly fit to the aerial, although buildings are comparatively marked.

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Re: The Munich Thread

Post by Jeroen7 » 02 May 2015 11:22

Hi guys, thank you all so much. I didn't know photos 1 and 2 are both exits just to the Rosenheimer Strasse. Now I have enough information to make the shots needed for the Now & Then and do those on the best fitting spot where the entrence would be in the 1923-1938 period. Thanx again guys. You will see the result somewhere in September.

As Geoff also says, this pictures is very nice and would love to use that one (if a better size if available). Anyone?

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Re: The Munich Thread

Post by Jeroen7 » 02 May 2015 11:44

In addition, I found proof that the handshake photo is in front of a building to the left of the stone entrance.
I used the same colour lines. Yellow = handshake, green = stone.
Note 1. The handshake building has 6 windows on the right, the same amount can be found in the proof image.
Note 2. The blue building still exist today and is the last building on the south side of Rosenheimer Strasse.

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Re: The Munich Thread

Post by Keir » 04 May 2015 20:28

Took students around Munich today
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Re: The Munich Thread

Post by Annelie » 04 May 2015 20:48

Curious, what was their reaction to what was being explained to them
about history. Are they interested? Or, was it one of those mandatory tours?

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Re: The Munich Thread

Post by Keir » 05 May 2015 19:17

It was mandatory but they were all interested and good sports. Took them to Dachau today for the whole day and they were very accommodating.
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Re: The Munich Thread

Post by Keir » 07 May 2015 08:08

Hitler in triumph down Munich's Maxburgstrasse towards Marienplatz after the return of Memel, March 26, 1939 and today.
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Re: The Munich Thread

Post by Annelie » 07 May 2015 12:24

Nice photos Keir, thanks.

First time I took a walking tour with a guide (Irish chap) and I was snapping photos at every building like
an typical tourist and he said......you do realize most of these building are new in the image of the ones
that stood here..I kind of lost my interest :?

It seems most of the photos you have taken over the last several years are of the original buildings.
How does one know if its original or not?

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Re: The Munich Thread

Post by Keir » 08 May 2015 08:14

I think it's interesting reading Ian Fleming- he writes how Munich in the 1950s looks fake- fake prefab yellow buildings taking the place of what once was. On Her Majesty's Secret Service spends some time describing how Munich was rebuilding itself.
When I take people around, I always make it a point to ask them to consider how old Preysing Palais is before showing them this:
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Post by Jeroen7 » 08 May 2015 14:22

Annelie wrote:How does one know if its original or not?
I will make a video series about that this summer. ;)

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Re: The Munich Thread

Post by Annelie » 08 May 2015 16:22

thanks Keir, I think some of us will really appreciate that.

Wow, its hard to visualize how much restoration has taken place on some of these well known places.

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