The Munich Thread

pavel michalek · Post by **pavel michalek** » 11 Apr 2009 12:22

Few of the Führerbau. I hope you will like them.

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Geoff Walden · Post by **Geoff Walden** » 12 Apr 2009 08:29

The room in the Führerbau where the Munich Accords were signed in September 1938. This is now Room 105. It is a music practice room, and you can sometimes get a peek in there between practice sessions, or if you find a sympathetic staff member or student. The room is about half the size that it once was, but the fireplace end, where all the period photos were taken, is practically unchanged.

Geoff Walden

Eckart · Post by **Eckart** » 12 Apr 2009 18:46

Hi all!

A comparative view of the Fürstenfelderstrasse:

http://www.forosegundaguerra.com/viewto ... 987#p56987

Kind regards.

ghostsoldier · Post by **ghostsoldier** » 13 Apr 2009 14:59

Geoff Walden wrote:The room in the Führerbau where the Munich Accords were signed in September 1938. This is now Room 105. It is a music practice room, and you can sometimes get a peek in there between practice sessions, or if you find a sympathetic staff member or student. The room is about half the size that it once was, but the fireplace end, where all the period photos were taken, is practically unchanged.

Geoff Walden

Wow. Even the chandelier is the same!

Rob

SteveFBS · Post by **SteveFBS** » 14 Apr 2009 16:03

I just posted these in another relevant thread, but I think they belong here, as well: 2 pix of the Brown House on fire after being hit during an American air raid. They come from LIFE magazine.

-Steven

Geoff Walden · Post by **Geoff Walden** » 15 Apr 2009 08:16

Great Life pics!

Got me to thinking ...

Does anyone know - which of the putsch dead were "buried" in each Ehrentempel? I *think* the sarcophagi were arranged in alphabetical order (not sure), but I have never read who was in each place. I can't find any photos that show the sarcophagi in detail enough to read the names on each.

Geoff

Max · Post by **Max** » 15 Apr 2009 09:11

Geoff Walden wrote:Great Life pics!

Got me to thinking ...

Does anyone know - which of the putsch dead were "buried" in each Ehrentempel? I *think* the sarcophagi were arranged in alphabetical order (not sure), but I have never read who was in each place. I can't find any photos that show the sarcophagi in detail enough to read the names on each.

Geoff

Don't know how well known this is but here are couple of close ups of sarcophagi - names clearly visible.
Doesn't quite answer your question though.
Also a collection of putsch images.
Max
http://einestages.spiegel.de/static/ent ... &a=699&c=1

http://einestages.spiegel.de/external/S ... turedEntry

MLW · Post by **MLW** » 16 Apr 2009 00:44

Geoff - send me an email. I have a photo from NARA I just happened to scan last Friday at NARA. It was taken on 4 May 1945 by the US Army and it shows a couple of the sarcophagi. Unfortunately, this forum is too restrictive on file size. I don't know if it is because I lack privileges here, but I am not going to bother trying to post any photos here. Cheers, Marc

Max · Post by **Max** » 16 Apr 2009 03:40

Geoff Walden wrote: I *think* the sarcophagi were arranged in alphabetical order (not sure),

This is an alphabetical list - in [] is the order they are announced in the Spiegel documentary
http://einestages.spiegel.de/static/ent ... &a=699&c=1

Felix Alfarth
Andreas Bauriedl [3] - shown in documentary
Theodor Casella [9]
William Ehrlich
Martin Faust
Anton Hechenberger
Oskar Körner [1]
Karl Kuhn
Karl Laforce [6]
Kurt Neubauer
Klaus von Pape [4] - shown next to Rickmers on Geoff's site
Theodor von der Pfordten [7] - shown in documentary
Johann Rickmers - shown next to von Pape on Geoff's site
Max Erwin von Scheubner-Richter [2]
Lorenz Ritter von Stransky [5]
Wilhelm Wolf [8]

So where does this leave us?
Obviously they were not announced in alphabetical order as broadcast in the documentary.
But maybe the order was changed in the editing - either originally or by Spiegel -
Why would they do that?
Was there some sort of ranking order of those named?
Only eight names were announced - could they have been together in one temple?
This might work except that according to Geoff's site von Pape and Rickmers are next to each other and Rickmers is not in the eight announced.
Could the photo caption on Geoff's site be incorrect? -a frame from a 16mm film - published in a book - published on a web site, leaves some room for error.[No doubt it was Hastings or Stevens'

]

Let's hope that Marc's NARA photo sheds more light on the problem.

Max

Geoff Walden · Post by **Geoff Walden** » 16 Apr 2009 13:02

MLW wrote:Geoff - send me an email. I have a photo from NARA I just happened to scan last Friday at NARA. It was taken on 4 May 1945 by the US Army and it shows a couple of the sarcophagi. Unfortunately, this forum is too restrictive on file size. I don't know if it is because I lack privileges here, but I am not going to bother trying to post any photos here. Cheers, Marc

Marc,

Sent you a PM.

Geoff

Geoff Walden · Post by **Geoff Walden** » 16 Apr 2009 13:07

Max wrote:
Geoff Walden wrote: I *think* the sarcophagi were arranged in alphabetical order (not sure),
Only eight names were announced - could they have been together in one temple?
This might work except that according to Geoff's site von Pape and Rickmers are next to each other and Rickmers is not in the eight announced.
Could the photo caption on Geoff's site be incorrect? -a frame from a 16mm film - published in a book - published on a web site, leaves some room for error.[No doubt it was Hastings or Stevens' ]

Let's hope that Marc's NARA photo sheds more light on the problem.

Max

Max,

You're right - that photo on my webpage is not at a resolution that you can read the names, but they are clear in the original (in Stevens' book) - V. PAPE and RICKMERS adjacent to each other. Which leaves the whole thing unclear (at least the Spiegel narration).

Geoff

Geoff Walden · Post by **Geoff Walden** » 17 Apr 2009 07:55

Here is Marc's photo from the US National Archives (thanks, Marc!). This photo was taken 4 May 1945 by Signal Corps photographer T/4 Cunningham, and shows Ben McKelway of the Washington Star visiting one of the Ehrentempel.

The posting resolution here is too small to read anything, but on the original you can see that the closest sarcophagus is for Neubauer. The next one is unclear even on Marc's hi-res scan (original photo not in focus), but the only name that it looks like to me would be Ehrlich. If so, they were not arranged in alphabetical order.

Geoff

Annelie · Post by **Annelie** » 17 Apr 2009 13:01

More photos of Ehrentempel

http://www.german-architecture.info/GER ... -NS-17.htm

sobel · Post by **sobel** » 17 Apr 2009 15:18

Very Interesting site, thanks for posting the link

regards

Sobel

U S Kriegsmarine · Post by **U S Kriegsmarine** » 17 Apr 2009 21:39

What happened to the bodys after the war?

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