Paintings hung at the Berghof.

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Re: Paintings hung at the Berghof.

Post by pacifritz » 12 Aug 2011 20:22

Geoff Walden wrote:Now a shot of the southeast corner, with parts of the east and south walls.
Is it just me, or are subliminal swastikas built into the design of the overhanging ceiling wood panelling?


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Re: Paintings hung at the Berghof.

Post by Annelie » 12 Aug 2011 20:31

s it just me, or are subliminal swastikas built into the design of the overhanging ceiling wood panelling?
Its quite a common design for a valted ceiling in the period and even now for a certain element of the
population whom have the money.

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Re: Paintings hung at the Berghof.

Post by Matt Gibbs » 24 Aug 2011 08:04

I wonder how many portraits of Hitler's parents were done, if you include copies of an 'original'. Going by the various names of artists and the note somewhere that Hitler also did a version of his own from a photograph or small portrait there must be three or four?
Speer's researched footnotes in his autobiography quote Professor Knirr as one artist [also Knirr did some official portraits of Hitler and some stamp designs too].
Speer's text: - "After his early death an oil painting of Schreck hung in Hitler's private office at Obersalzberg side by side with one of his mother, there was none of his father".
Speer's chapter note :- "Both pictures were painted [from photographs] by Hitler's official painter Professor Knirr, whom Hitler always rewarded handsomely for his work. A photograph from a later period shows that Knirr was also commissioned to do a portrait of Hitler's father."
From the info re the auction of the paintings of Hitler's parents it may be that Speer was mistaken, or that Speer was not aware that other painting[s] might have been commissioned by Hitler. [trying to discredit Speer as 'wrong' seems flawed to me, since there seems to be reference to more than one portrait of Hitler's mother].
Johst apparently also did a portrait of Geli Raubal. [from Birgit Schwarz book Hitler und die Kunst]

http://books.google.de/books?id=QGiU-zv ... &q&f=false

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Re: Paintings hung at the Berghof.

Post by CPB » 07 Nov 2017 17:48

Geoff Walden wrote:After the fireplace, still on the south wall, is a painting that is pretty well known, and shows up well in period images (Item 9). This is sometimes called a Botticelli or a Titian, but it has been identified as Paris Bordone's "Venus et Amor" (although I believe the correct title should be "Venus et Cupid" ... but I don't really know anything about classical art. :?

I have read that this original piece still exists in a museum, maybe in Warsaw, but I haven't found a picture of it online.

Geoff
I stumbled across this painting today while researching something else. It hangs in the National Museum of Warsaw, and still looks to be in the same frame as when it was hung in the Berghof [if that B&W photo is from that period].
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Re: Paintings hung at the Berghof.

Post by Biber » 07 Nov 2017 19:25

Such a shame that images earlier in this thread have been lost.

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Post by Johnnyrocket » 07 Nov 2017 19:59

Matt Gibbs wrote:I wonder how many portraits of Hitler's parents were done, if you include copies of an 'original'. Going by the various names of artists and the note somewhere that Hitler also did a version of his own from a photograph or small portrait there must be three or four?
Speer's researched footnotes in his autobiography quote Professor Knirr as one artist [also Knirr did some official portraits of Hitler and some stamp designs too].
Speer's text: - "After his early death an oil painting of Schreck hung in Hitler's private office at Obersalzberg side by side with one of his mother, there was none of his father".
Speer's chapter note :- "Both pictures were painted [from photographs] by Hitler's official painter Professor Knirr, whom Hitler always rewarded handsomely for his work. A photograph from a later period shows that Knirr was also commissioned to do a portrait of Hitler's father."
From the info re the auction of the paintings of Hitler's parents it may be that Speer was mistaken, or that Speer was not aware that other painting[s] might have been commissioned by Hitler. [trying to discredit Speer as 'wrong' seems flawed to me, since there seems to be reference to more than one portrait of Hitler's mother].
Johst apparently also did a portrait of Geli Raubal. [from Birgit Schwarz book Hitler und die Kunst]

http://books.google.de/books?id=QGiU-zv ... &q&f=false
Sure looks like the same painting.
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Re: Paintings hung at the Berghof.

Post by Geoff Walden » 07 Nov 2017 23:41

Thanks, Chris, that's much better than the version I had found online after I had posted that comment back then. Christa Schroeder reported that this and other Berghof paintings were taken by the SS to Altaussee in Austria just as the OSB was being abandoned by the Germans. How it ended up in Warsaw, I don't know. The other paintings taken to Altaussee presumably included Feuerbach's "Nana" and the other original Berghof artworks that still survive.
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Re: Paintings hung at the Berghof.

Post by BillHermann » 09 Nov 2017 03:27

Annelie wrote:Isn't it ironic that this Jewish American man who is selling the paintings says
This is representing a very important and relevant part of our human history," he said.
yet there is no qualms when destroying buildings like the Berghof which had more than the photos
was an important and relevant part of the history of the time?
What a strange thing to say, it was bombed by the allies then torched before the arrival of the allies. It was gutted and some how the empty shell should have been rebuilt? Why and who would pay or would a gutted house of Hitler be fine. It was a good idea to tear it down.

On the other hand it always bugged me that they tore down the General Walker. Having been there a number of times it would have been nice if they kept it as a hotel.

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Re: Paintings hung at the Berghof.

Post by Br. James » 13 Nov 2017 20:00

This is a wonderful and interesting thread, friends; exciting to walk through! As aside information -- which I'm sure all know -- the Gobelin tapestry (item 1) behind the seating arrangement on the east wall was drawn aside in the evenings in order to expose the projection windows used to show films in the Great Hall. The opposing Gobelin tapestry (item 14) on the west wall behind the Bechstein grand piano was also pulled aside to provide a blank wall on which to display the films. This feature must have made for quite a comfortable site for an evening's viewing and for socialization, and on a warm summer's night the lowering of the great window would have made the room delightful.

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Re: Paintings hung at the Berghof.

Post by Jade2014 » 24 Dec 2017 19:20

Hi there, long time no see... :oops:
On some pictures you can see a round
painting above the fireplace in the great hall.
What was it, and is there anyone who
have a clear picture of it?

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Re: Paintings hung at the Berghof.

Post by Geoff Walden » 25 Dec 2017 21:16

Hi Jade2014, welcome back!

That painting was a "Madonna and Child" by Giuliano Bugiardini. It is also now in the National Museum in Warsaw.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all my friends at AHF! I hope 2018 is a great year for all!

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Re: Paintings hung at the Berghof.

Post by Jade2014 » 29 Dec 2017 21:10

Again a mystery is solved...
Thanks Geoff, best wishes for you too!

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Re: Paintings hung at the Berghof.

Post by Br. James » 30 Dec 2017 22:21

Back at 'ya, Geoff, and the same to all here!

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Re: Paintings hung at the Berghof.

Post by Nipper » 24 Oct 2022 16:22

Geoff Walden wrote:
23 Oct 2008 21:26
Next came a bronze bust of Dietrich Eckart on a pedestal (Item 11). Here is a period view of the original. Supposedly, this work still exists in a collection in England, but doubt has been cast on its authenticity (I won't go into that here - I have no part of that debate.)

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It seems that this work (whether the original or not) has been recently offered on sale. Certainly the granite base differs from the one depicted in the original photo.

More details at https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auct ... lotDetails
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