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"Famous Hitler rally picture probably faked"

Post by OpanaPointer » 15 Oct 2010 14:44

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Famous Hitler rally picture probably faked - The Local

The famous 1914 photo showing Hitler in the middle of the crowd at a WW1 rally was most likely faked. Historian Gerd Krumeich has studied the picture and its history and concluded that Hitler was superimposed into the picture to promote the image of the Nazi leader as a patriot and a man of the people. The photo was taken by Heinrich Hoffmann at a rally in support of war in Munich's Odeonplatz in 1914. But it was not published until March 12, 1932 (in the Illustrierte Beobachter, the Nazi party newspaper) after Hitler's patriotism was questioned because he escaped from Vienna to Munich to avoid military service in Austria-Hungary. (thelocal.de)[/quote]

It will be interesting to see if this pans out.
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Re: "Famous Hitler rally picture probably faked"

Post by robertmountfor » 15 Oct 2010 15:28

This cannot be faked as there is also moving images of this famous scene.

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Re: "Famous Hitler rally picture probably faked"

Post by OpanaPointer » 15 Oct 2010 15:43

robertmountfor wrote:This cannot be faked as there is also moving images of this famous scene.
Interesting! They show AH? And when did they come to light? (These questions are part of the process of clearing this up, not a challenge to anyone.)
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Re: "Famous Hitler rally picture probably faked"

Post by OpanaPointer » 15 Oct 2010 16:33

robertmountfor wrote:This cannot be faked as there is also moving images of this famous scene.
I'm told there's a Youtube of this. Anybody got a link?
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Re: "Famous Hitler rally picture probably faked"

Post by Fait Accompli » 15 Oct 2010 17:01

For heaven's sake, if you weren't aware of this ultra-famous photo of Hitler, then you are really catching up. This is indeed interesting. I was not aware that the first publication of this photo came in 1932 in the Beobachtung. If true, it definitely casts suspicion on the authenticity of the photograph.

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Re: "Famous Hitler rally picture probably faked"

Post by robertmountfor » 15 Oct 2010 19:43

Dear o dear . . . . The film footage is very well known! i repeat talk of a fake is ludicrous. the film camera man can even be seen! When hoffmann was told by AH that he was there in 1914 hoffman said he scoured and scrutinized every picture he had of that momentous day looking for AH until he spotted him in the crowd. later footage shows him very very clearly.

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Re: "Famous Hitler rally picture probably faked"

Post by OpanaPointer » 15 Oct 2010 20:28

robertmountfor wrote:Dear o dear . . . . The film footage is very well known! i repeat talk of a fake is ludicrous. the film camera man can even be seen! When hoffmann was told by AH that he was there in 1914 hoffman said he scoured and scrutinized every picture he had of that momentous day looking for AH until he spotted him in the crowd. later footage shows him very very clearly.
Do we have a link of any kind, or a source where I can order a copy?
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Re: "Famous Hitler rally picture probably faked"

Post by robertmountfor » 15 Oct 2010 20:52

Sorry, cant help there.... but surely can be found somewhere on the internet. it usually crops up on some of the better documentaries.

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Post by OpanaPointer » 15 Oct 2010 21:01

robertmountfor wrote:Sorry, cant help there.... but surely can be found somewhere on the internet. it usually crops up on some of the better documentaries.
I'm told the footage ran on the History Channel, but no title on the film. Probably that Great War series they put on every few months?

Caveat: I wouldn't trust the History Channel if they told me Alexander was Great without independent confirmation.
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Re: "Famous Hitler rally picture probably faked"

Post by OpanaPointer » 15 Oct 2010 22:57

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxP9ekjWzTM&

Youtube that may be AH at the event.
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Re: "Famous Hitler rally picture probably faked"

Post by J. Duncan » 16 Oct 2010 11:10

Slightly better film footage can be viewed in this youtube clip from the documentary "The Fatal Attraction of Adolf Hitler".
Look for the scene at 4:36 of the clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPvV4WPwlyg

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Re: "Famous Hitler rally picture probably faked"

Post by Adam Carr » 16 Oct 2010 12:17

I had no idea that film existed. Amazing. It seems to refute any possibility that Hoffman's photo is a fake. Besides which, I wouldn't think there was any photo faking technique available in 1932 which would not now be detectable when the photo is studied.

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Re: "Famous Hitler rally picture probably faked"

Post by OpanaPointer » 16 Oct 2010 13:39

J. Duncan wrote:Slightly better film footage can be viewed in this youtube clip from the documentary "The Fatal Attraction of Adolf Hitler".
Look for the scene at 4:36 of the clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPvV4WPwlyg
Thanks, I'll check it out when the coffee sinks in.
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Re: "Famous Hitler rally picture probably faked"

Post by OpanaPointer » 16 Oct 2010 13:49

Adam Carr wrote:I had no idea that film existed. Amazing. It seems to refute any possibility that Hoffman's photo is a fake. Besides which, I wouldn't think there was any photo faking technique available in 1932 which would not now be detectable when the photo is studied.
You'll forgive me if that footage doesn't "nail it down" for me. I'm not impressed with the shot at 5:11 as being conclusive. The problem is Adolph was pretty ordinary looking, I think. I don't doubt that the person was there, but I do wonder if it was AH.
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Re: "Famous Hitler rally picture probably faked"

Post by moodiee » 16 Oct 2010 17:23

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