Hotel zum Türken

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Hotel zum Türken

Post by Annelie » 02 Oct 2013 13:50

Any update on what is happening to

Hotel zum Türken ?

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Re: Hotel zum Türken

Post by Geoff Walden » 02 Oct 2013 16:36

It's still open and functioning as a hotel. The late Ingrid Scharfenberg's daughter Monika says she will keep it open. That was the case when I was there two weeks ago. There have been a few small changes to the decor, mostly for the better. The big pine trees across the road side of the parking lot have been cut down. These trees grew up there since the 1940s (so they weren't "historic" or anything).

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Re: Hotel zum Türken

Post by Annelie » 02 Oct 2013 16:44

Thanks Geoff,

Its good to know.
I checked their site out and it was still up so I was perplexed but
you cleared things up. At least she hasn't sold it yet :-)

Annelie

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Re: Hotel zum Türken

Post by Geoff Walden » 02 Oct 2013 16:58

Without the trees beside the parking lot ...
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Re: Hotel zum Türken

Post by Annelie » 02 Oct 2013 17:08

Oh, it looks terrible.
Doesn't look the same.
Trees provided look and feeling of permanence and tranquility.

Guess change is about the only thing we can always count on.

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Re: Hotel zum Türken

Post by Geoff Walden » 02 Oct 2013 17:34

Honestly, that was exactly my first reaction as well. Ingrid Scharfenberg was proud that the Türken had remained unchanged over the years, and I was always happy to visit there and experience the exact surroundings as every time before. But then I realized that those trees weren't from the most famous period of the hotel's history, and their absense does provide the period view over and up to where Bormann's house was ... the same view that the guard force saw from those windows, when they were checking to see if Bormann was home. I can accept changes like that ...

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Re: Hotel zum Türken

Post by Annelie » 02 Oct 2013 17:49

Okay Geoff, if you can accept that change then I should too. LOLOL.

Maybe they should landscape the area where the trees were to enhance it.
Just my opinion which really doesn't count. :(

Those historical tours will now have to mention zum Türken.
The one and only one I took didn't want to point the hotel and Berghof site
at all. It was strictly about Kehlstein and how Speer should have been
given a more severe sentence. This from an musical American living
in Salzburg to study and play music there :-)

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Re: Hotel zum Türken

Post by pofoka » 02 Oct 2013 22:23

The Hotel Zum Türken will never be the same without you. Thanks for fine hospitality during our all visit. We will remember you forever. Rest in Peace.
Ruhe in Frieden dear Ingrid Scharfenberg! :cry:
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Re: Hotel zum Türken

Post by pofoka » 02 Oct 2013 22:36

In memoriam frau Ingrid Scharfenberg
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Re: Hotel zum Türken

Post by pofoka » 02 Oct 2013 22:50

In memoriam frau Ingrid Scharfenberg
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Re: Hotel zum Türken

Post by Annelie » 02 Oct 2013 23:17

Lovely photos Pofoka.

Thanks for sharing, its obvious you stayed there.
Maybe you will again.

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Re: Hotel zum Türken

Post by Geoff Walden » 03 Oct 2013 08:54

Thanks very much for posting the great photos, pofoka! Nostalgic, for me, for sure.
It still all looks pretty much like that ...

For those who may wonder, the woman in the painting was Ingrid Scharfenberg's mother, Theresa Schuster Partner, who reclaimed, rebuilt, and reopened the Türken after the war. The Türken would not be there today without the determination and courage of Theresa Partner. The painting was by her brother, Karl Schuster-Winkelhof (he also did the painting on the opposite wall of Theresa Partner as an older woman).

The painting of the mountain farmer was by Josef Hengge, who also painted the war memorial in the palace square in Berchtesgaden. Hengge was a known artist of the Third Reich era, who exhibited his works in the Haus der Deutschen Kunst in Munich. When these paintings were stored after Munich became a bombing target, Hengge was not convinced of their security, so he asked his friends the Schusters to store some of his paintings at their place on Chiemsee. As thanks, he gave this painting to the family (he also painted the portrait of Karl Schuster that hangs in the Türken lobby).

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Re: Hotel zum Türken

Post by WW2 Historian » 03 Oct 2013 11:55

was AH known to visit the Zum Türken?
Surely he must have, so I suppose my real question is, are there pics of him visiting?

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Re: Hotel zum Türken

Post by Geoff Walden » 03 Oct 2013 14:22

Hitler and his group stopped at the Türken for goulasch when he was first visiting Dietrich Eckart on the Obersalzberg in 1923. At some point, he gave political talks in the Türken's Eberwein Room, which was the large public room before that side of the Türken was rebuilt (somewhat where the breakfast room is today, but not the same configuration ... closer to where Otto Scharfenberg's trophy room is).

I've never seen any pictures of Hitler at the Türken.

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Re: Hotel zum Türken

Post by Ecam » 03 Oct 2013 17:23

Hi Geoff,

I stayed at the Zum Turken back in August 2007. Upon checking out of the hotel, I noticed the wall of photos in front of the check-in desk (you can see this wall in one of Pofoka's photo's). As I'm sure you know, some very interesting personages in the photos. I ended up asking Frau Scharfenberg about some of the people pictured, and she eventually said that she had, of course, known them all, even AH. When I suggested that she should consider publishing her memoirs, she became quite indignant and stated that she, unlike all the others, would never publish her story because all the others did it just for money, and that she wouldn't do that. While some of the memoir writers were undoubtedly motivated to an extent by money, I don't believe that all of them, Traudl Junge for instance, were. Anyway, she was getting a little testy about it so I let the subject drop. Now that she has passed away, is there anything you can say about her background? Did she grow up on the mountain? Did she ever visit the Berghof and meet AH?, etc.

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