Auschwitz Buildings, “outside the wire”

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Re: Auschwitz Buildings, “outside the wire”

Post by history1 » 02 Nov 2015 17:28

Both versions (English and the Polish Original) of the book are to download at researchgate.net
As are 5 other publications by M. Rawecki.

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Re: Auschwitz Buildings, “outside the wire”

Post by *NL* » 03 Nov 2015 19:54

Sehr gut History1, that will be a helpful link indeed !

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Re: Auschwitz Buildings, “outside the wire”

Post by history1 » 04 Nov 2015 15:32

A link doesn´t bring you further when you´re not registered there as scientist/researcher, Hans. If you want I can download what you need and forward it to you (pm me your e-mail adress).
The following publications from M. Rawecki are available:
1. Ekspertyza stanu zachowania i warunków ochrony miejsc i obiektów kompleksu Auschwitz-Birkenau. Analiza warunków opracowania i wdrożenia Planu Zarządzania. Część 1/5 - Ustalenia
2. Auschwitz-Birkenau w kontekście miasta i gminy Oświęcim
3. Strefa Auschwitz-Birkenau
4. Auschwitz-Birkenau Zone
5. Antinomies of memories
6. Antynomie pamięci
7. Antinomien des Gedenkens

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Re: Auschwitz Buildings, “outside the wire”

Post by *NL* » 04 Nov 2015 21:07

Yes i did notice that you had to register, and did not bother to continue, since i already have the book we talked about here above. It contains 2 parts, as described in your list as nr 3 (polish text) and 4 (english text)

I am wondering what nr 2 is about. Auschwitz-Birkenau w kontekście miasta i gminy Oświęcim.

It sounds interesting and i want to thank you for your efforts and that you are willing to download/e-mail it to me, but i am sorry to say that i lack the knowledge of the polish language.

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Re: Auschwitz Buildings, “outside the wire”

Post by history1 » 05 Nov 2015 06:26

The translated title is "Auschwitz-Birkenau in the context to the city and community Oswiecim (=Auschwitz).
Translated title of publication 1 is " Expertise state of the terms and conditions for the protection of sites and objects of the Auschwitz-Birkenau complex. Analysis of conditions for the development and implementation of the Management Plan. Part 1/5- Findings

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Re: Auschwitz Buildings, “outside the wire”

Post by Paulheald » 28 Dec 2015 13:41

Best wishes for 2016 to all subscribers to this most interesting thread. It seems to have got bogged down a bit of late, so here goes again with me asking another stupid question: I have always wondered how the normal citizens of Oswiecim managed to co-exist living next door to Auschwitz. Accordingly I was wondering if the SS camp staff of Auschwitz were allowed to visit the town during their off duty periods to socialize with the locals? The picture attached rather looks as if this was the case - in fact it all looks very peaceful and normal.
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Re: Auschwitz Buildings, “outside the wire”

Post by wm » 28 Dec 2015 16:30

This it how actually the occupation usually looked like, peaceful and normal.
But the town at that time was populated mainly by Germans and foreign workers. Before the war it was a predominantly Jewish town, then the Jews disappeared and many Poles were deported.

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Re: Auschwitz Buildings, “outside the wire”

Post by N.C. Wyeth » 28 Dec 2015 16:47

Paulheald wrote: I have always wondered how the normal citizens of Oswiecim managed to co-exist living next door to Auschwitz. Accordingly I was wondering if the SS camp staff of Auschwitz were allowed to visit the town during their off duty periods to socialize with the locals?
IMO, that is a very complicated question to answer - and would take a lot of time [and writing!] to explain.

What helped me answer that question, took a lot of reading . . . and I can think of one book in particular, that may offer some help. This book was recommended to me by Geoff Walden - and I found it to be well worth the dedicated time devoted.
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Re: Auschwitz Buildings, “outside the wire”

Post by Paulheald » 29 Dec 2015 13:35

Thanks for the responses re Auschwitz / Oswiecim - upon further investigation I was amazed to see how close the town was to the camp. I had imagined it to be at least +/- 5 Km or more. From the small map I got from Wikipedia I see the town was less than 1 Km from the camp. Hence nobody living there could ever claim that they didn't know what was going on at the camp. The stink from
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the crematoria must have nearly choked them at times.
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Re: Auschwitz Buildings, “outside the wire”

Post by wm » 29 Dec 2015 14:05

The crematoria weren't visible from the town, it was about 3-4 km - there were on the other side of the camp.
Generally people knew what was going on although the source of stink wasn't the rather efficient and modern crematoria but the open pits.

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Re: Auschwitz Buildings, “outside the wire”

Post by Geoff Walden » 30 Apr 2016 09:25

An Auschwitz update from last week ... first, from "inside the wire."

Barrack 30 in Birkenau Lager BIIb has been rebuilt. This is the wooden barrack building that was said to be the only original wooden barrack at Birkenau that remained as built (that is, not reconstructed in the 1950s). The front half of this barrack was removed in the late 1980s and loaned to the US Holocaust Memorial Museum (1989-2013). Last year the barrack still had only the back part in place at Birkenau, but now it is whole again (the darker half seen here is the part that was in America).
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"Outside the wire" - the book shop / gift shop / cafeteria beside the Birkenau car park has opened. The cafeteria is really good - fast, cheap, good food. The book shop carries some books that I did not see in any of the Auschwitz/Birkenau museum book shops. There is also a display about camp Monowitz, but it was closed due to "technical difficulties" while we were there. But the souvenir section is something else! They seem to specialize in magnets with themes that I found highly problematic for decorative items. I almost expected to find "I Survived Auschwitz" magnets!
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Re: Auschwitz Buildings, “outside the wire”

Post by Boby » 30 Apr 2016 11:13

Really, this is quite distasteful. It looks like an NBA store! Who on earth wants to buy a magnet with a picture of Birkenau camp to put it in a refrigerator!

Crazy, crazy world.

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Re: Auschwitz Buildings, “outside the wire”

Post by history1 » 30 Apr 2016 16:46

Boby wrote:Really, this is quite distasteful. [...]
That´s what came in my mind before I read your post, Boby.
Distasteful and shameful.

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Re: Auschwitz Buildings, “outside the wire”

Post by Annelie » 30 Apr 2016 17:04

Who is actually owner or perhaps that is not the correct term?
Or is this NBA store a leased business?

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Re: Auschwitz Buildings, “outside the wire”

Post by Geoff Walden » 30 Apr 2016 18:59

As far as I could tell, it is a private business. The cafeteria and the book store do not seem to be connected, business-wise. The display about Monowitz is by a private group of people who are researching the area and working to preserve what is left (which effort is laudatory and very necessary, since the sites and buildings "outside the wire" do not get any preservation efforts from the Museum). I did not see anything that tied these businesses to the Auschwitz-Birkenau Museum. The building is not on Museum grounds. But no excuse for souvenirs like these, IMHO.

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