Remaining Homes Of Former Top Nazis Today

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Re: Remaining Homes Of Former Top Nazis Today

Post by Johnnyrocket » 21 Jun 2008 02:28

Here's a fantastic site for this threads subject...

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Post by Annelie » 21 Jun 2008 02:44

Was there a good reason for its removal or just the Bavarian Govt erasing the past?
That has been a debated here a few times and many of us disagree with tearing down history.

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Re: Remaining Homes Of Former Top Nazis Today

Post by Johnnyrocket » 21 Jun 2008 03:00

History should not be destroyed, it should be learned from. The Germany of today is a very liberal nation, Trying to do what we have been doing in this country (USA) for years, and that is reconstruct history to fit a pre-conceived perspective on facts that fits their template.

Well, that's just my humble opinion.

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Re: Remaining Homes Of Former Top Nazis Today

Post by Halfdan S. » 21 Jun 2008 09:56

Hi Johnny R.

Unfortunately it's not the same balcony - the one I've posted a photo of is from his appartmentblock in München, the ones you've posted are from the Reichskanzlei in Berlin . . .

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Re: Remaining Homes Of Former Top Nazis Today

Post by Johnnyrocket » 21 Jun 2008 12:41

Halfdan S. wrote:Hi Johnny R.

Unfortunately it's not the same balcony - the one I've posted a photo of is from his appartmentblock in München, the ones you've posted are from the Reichskanzlei in Berlin . . .

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Hi Halfdan, I've been looking for an image of the Munchen balcony, but have not been able to find one with A.Hitler on it?

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Re: Remaining Homes Of Former Top Nazis Today

Post by Thomasine » 25 Jun 2008 21:03

The first home of Hermann Göring in Stockholm Sweden, an apartment at Narvavägen 5 still stands as does his second, an apartment at Odengatan 23.

Also intact is the small house in the Bavarian village of Hochkreuth bei Bayrisch-Zell that Carin and Hermann Göring rented between 1920 and 1930. Carin called the house her "Pfefferkuchenhaus" (Gingerbreadhouse) as in the fairytale of Hänschen und Gretel by the Grimm brothers. I have heard that it is still refered to as the Göring-house in the village.

In the Münchener suburb of Obermenzing, Döbereinerstrasse 30, the small but modern villa that Carin's first husband Nils von Kanzow bought for his former wife and her new husband as a weddingpresent is still there and in private ownership. The house was later impounded and repossed by the bank after the Putsch in November 1923. In fact, Nils von Kanzow financed not only this house but also the two apartments in Stockholm and the Görings lived well for years on Carin's alimony and Nils' generous hand outs.

Wether their Berlin homes, Berchtesgadener Strasse 16 and Badenschen Strasse 7 survived the bombings of the war, I don't know.

As far as I know, Haus Aspenstein, a small baroque castle in Kochel am Walchensee where the von Schirachs lived is still standing as well as Gut Sonnenburg in Freienwalde and the villa in Berlin-Dahlem that belonged to the von Ribbentrops. Annelies von Ribbentrop went through several court proceedings after the war to regain ownership of the house but lost all the way up to the Supreme Court.

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Re: Remaining Homes Of Former Top Nazis Today

Post by vszulc » 26 Jun 2008 13:49

Johnnyrocket wrote:History should not be destroyed, it should be learned from.
I agree with you in principle, but on the other hand, I'd like to make an opinion from case to case.

I don't think there's anything fundamentally or principally wrong with tearing down a house that belonged to, for example Hitler, or a nazi monument. The memory of the victims and their rights is more important, I think, than the right of some history-buff, to march around in said house 50 years later.

You're not tearing down history, it's just a building, that to some sick minds might be a place of worship. History is so much more than just a building.

But as I said, I like to make an opinion from case to case.

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Post by ghostsoldier » 26 Jun 2008 21:09

vszulc wrote:
Johnnyrocket wrote:History should not be destroyed, it should be learned from.
I agree with you in principle, but on the other hand, I'd like to make an opinion from case to case.

I don't think there's anything fundamentally or principally wrong with tearing down a house that belonged to, for example Hitler, or a nazi monument. The memory of the victims and their rights is more important, I think, than the right of some history-buff, to march around in said house 50 years later.

You're not tearing down history, it's just a building, that to some sick minds might be a place of worship. History is so much more than just a building.

But as I said, I like to make an opinion from case to case.
Interesting concept, vszulc, and I know it's your opinion, but I can't see where "victim's rights" are an option for consideration; tearing down a historical building can't be considered an aspect of reparation, and it doesn't bring a loved on back or lessen the pain of loss. If that were the case, then a lot of buildings across the globe would have to be destroyed, as many churches, synagogues and religious edifices can be considered "places of worship for sick minds", depending on what side of the belief fence one is on...the Vatican, case in point, was known to be sympathtic to the Nazi cause (or, at least indifferent)...should St. Peter's Basilica be razed?
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Re: Remaining Homes Of Former Top Nazis Today

Post by Johnnyrocket » 26 Jun 2008 21:28

ghostsoldier wrote:
vszulc wrote:
Johnnyrocket wrote:History should not be destroyed, it should be learned from.
I agree with you in principle, but on the other hand, I'd like to make an opinion from case to case.

I don't think there's anything fundamentally or principally wrong with tearing down a house that belonged to, for example Hitler, or a nazi monument. The memory of the victims and their rights is more important, I think, than the right of some history-buff, to march around in said house 50 years later.

You're not tearing down history, it's just a building, that to some sick minds might be a place of worship. History is so much more than just a building.

But as I said, I like to make an opinion from case to case.
Interesting concept, vszulc, and I know it's your opinion, but I can't see where "victim's rights" are an option for consideration; tearing down a historical building can't be considered an aspect of reparation, and it doesn't bring a loved on back or lessen the pain of loss. If that were the case, then a lot of buildings across the globe would have to be destroyed, as many churches, synagogues and religious edifices can be considered "places of worship for sick minds", depending on what side of the belief fence one is on...the Vatican, case in point, was known to be sympathtic to the Nazi cause (or, at least indifferent)...should St. Peter's Basilica be razed?
Rob

I like your quote at the end GhostSoldier..."Even God cannot change the past" —Agathon
God does know the future, but that does not mean it's predestined to happen. Man actualizes the future by his free choices...thus...and here's my point...History (German WWII—Buildings, places, and things, etc.) is the only thing we have at times we can judge our future decisions from. Historical reconstructionists try to base their new ideas on a new past. At times, without something to actually see, who then is there to say they are not true in their assumptions? Does any of this makes sense??? :wink:

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Re: Remaining Homes Of Former Top Nazis Today

Post by ghostsoldier » 27 Jun 2008 14:09

Johnnyrocket wrote:Does any of this makes sense??? :wink:
Perfectly, my friend! :D
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Re: Remaining Homes Of Former Top Nazis Today

Post by friend_of_Obersalzberg » 29 Jun 2008 22:16

dwseiple wrote:Hello All!

How about Goring's childhood home in Rosenheim, does it still stand?
Dave
Hermann Göring was never resident in Rosenheim. His birth in this town, exact in a Hotel or Sanatorium MARIENBAD, was more or less an accident. His mother made an attendance in Rosenheim, when Hermann decided, to come out:-).

From 1901 Hermann was living with his mother and four siblings at Schloß Mauterndorf (in Austria) and Burg Veldenstein near Nürnberg.
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The little building right to the circular tower is the entrance to an Air raid shelter.
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Inside the shelter. The simple air ventilation system.

Greetings

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Re: Remaining Homes Of Former Top Nazis Today

Post by Reichkameramann » 01 Aug 2008 19:26

Von Odine wrote:
Von...do you have any links to info that would show his home? I have seen many photos of the other leaders' homes, but never Ley's...I would be interested in seeing some period interior and exterior photos of his house....
I have no photos.. I saw it and Frank's house in the 1990s video "Ruins of the Reich" and/or "Ruins of the Reich II"
I have a VHS copy of "Ruins of the Reich" but didn't know there was a sequel. I thought their site was gone, and they were out of business?

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Re: Remaining Homes Of Former Top Nazis Today

Post by Reichkameramann » 01 Aug 2008 19:40

vszulc wrote:
Johnnyrocket wrote:History should not be destroyed, it should be learned from.
I agree with you in principle, but on the other hand, I'd like to make an opinion from case to case.

I don't think there's anything fundamentally or principally wrong with tearing down a house that belonged to, for example Hitler, or a nazi monument. The memory of the victims and their rights is more important, I think, than the right of some history-buff, to march around in said house 50 years later.

You're not tearing down history, it's just a building, that to some sick minds might be a place of worship. History is so much more than just a building.

But as I said, I like to make an opinion from case to case.
I for one, would love to be able to walk through the Berghof, or Reichskanzlei today. History was made in those buildings, not considering their craftsmanship or outstandingly beautiful design.

I would, as I am also a photographer, liked to have had the chance to photograph these places (and others). To simply tear down a building simply because "someone" "stepped here" "stepped there", "looked out this window" is ridiculous.

There is a building in the oldest public park in town which was built by German POWs, and I've used it a lot as background for portraits. It suffered damage from Hurricane Rita, and I've yet to see if repairs have been made. There is a sign above the door designating it as a national historical landmark.

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Re: Remaining Homes Of Former Top Nazis Today

Post by Grootendorst » 27 May 2009 22:41

Everyone forgets the stadspalast of Göring in Berlin. It was located at the southeast behind the Leipziger Platz. The neighbours were the Preussen Landtag, This palace must be destroyed after or in the war, the spot is clear this day. When the Wall was there, it was a parkinglot for the borderguards. Look on Google Earth and you can find the place.

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