Berlin old photograph views...but where?

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Berlin old photograph views...but where?

Post by Bendlerblock » 29 Dec 2018 17:41

I found these in a book regarding the battle,but whereabouts in the city are they taken?
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Re: Berlin old photograph views...but where?

Post by Mannheim » 29 Dec 2018 23:56

I have already posted a query re your third photo here viewtopic.php?f=44&t=238543 and have had no joy. I originally suspected that it was taken near the intersection of Voss-Strasse and Wilhelmstrasse due to the strange and very undeutsch kink in Voss-Strasse but the windows on what should have been the Ministry of Transport don't add up, nor do the windows on the Wertheim building unless I am mistaken.

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Re: Berlin old photograph views...but where?

Post by GregSingh » 31 Dec 2018 03:21

The color photo is from Hugo Jaeger collection. High resolution one should be available for a fee. This way we could read that signboard on the bottom/left which might help with identification.

Mannheim, this is Voss-Strasse photo:

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Re: Berlin old photograph views...but where?

Post by Bendlerblock » 31 Dec 2018 19:08

Thank you for the replies guys, I am not sure about Voss Strasse, with the help of Google, we could have 3 options?

The Stadtmitte area,Reinhardtstrasse or Franzosische Strasse.....all fought over and would have had Soviet photographers in the area
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Re: Berlin old photograph views...but where?

Post by Mannheim » 31 Dec 2018 22:34

Thanks, Greg! That is in fact the same photo I used for comparison and which made me doubt that the mystery photo is of Voss-Strasse (I've marked what I think are the salient differences - but not the damage to the Borsig Palais which is a bit hard to determine). If I had to guess I would suggest that the second photo may have been taken outside a railway station, given the large arch at extreme right. The photo is quite common so I'm hoping I'll come across it again with a caption. The colour one, IMO, is anybody's guess: Unter/Oberwasserstrasse? Friedrichsgracht? However, check out my photo taken from the Invaliden Friedhof over the canal separating Nordhafen from the Spree. There could have been any number of houses there.
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Re: Berlin old photograph views...but where?

Post by GregSingh » 01 Jan 2019 05:49

Happy New Year Everyone!

My suggestion (80% sure) for a location of Führer, wir danken dir color photo is a Berliner Kraft- und Licht- AG (Bewag AG) office building at Schiffbauerdamm 22. Photo shows parts of Schiffbauerdamm 23 and 21 buildings as well. All three belonged to Bewag AG.
Today there is a car parking at this spot. Old electrical plant at the back of Nr.22 survived.

You can see that locations of stairs to the river level and a storm drain exit on a 1939 map match those on a photo.
It was taken from Marschallbrücke. Unfortunately I don't have any similar photos taken from that bridge in the same direction from the 1920-30's.

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Re: Berlin old photograph views...but where?

Post by Mannheim » 01 Jan 2019 21:19

Looks good to me. Worth Google Earth-ing.

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Re: Berlin old photograph views...but where?

Post by Alexander Nasman » 02 Jan 2019 17:07

My minds-eye tells me its Linienstrasse.

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Re: Berlin old photograph views...but where?

Post by Bendlerblock » 05 Jan 2019 17:58

Thank you guys for looking , a good piece of detective work Greg, I am spending my weekends reading up on the battle after visiting 3 times, I just keep finding more to look at ;-) and so must go back again!

Are there any battle maps locating the defence in some more detail or will I go by what I read?

Have a good weekend

PS Alexander have taken a look at Linienstrasse.....show me me more if possible

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Re: Berlin old photograph views...but where?

Post by Mannheim » 05 Jan 2019 22:09

Bendlerblock: I've sent you a PM.

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Re: Berlin old photograph views...but where?

Post by GregSingh » 11 Mar 2019 11:14

Now 100% sure! :D
Führer, wir danken dir color photo is indeed of Schiffbauerdamm 22 building.

Nice pre-1933 photo showing also corner building at Schiffbauerdamm 23 and a Marschallbrücke...

Click on photo to see in full resolution!
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Re: Berlin old photograph views...but where?

Post by Mannheim » 11 Mar 2019 21:45

Excellent work (again), Greg! Now if someone could just nail that third photo ...

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