How did Hitler and the Nazis manage to sell the idea of Lebensraum to the German people?

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Re: How did Hitler and the Nazis manage to sell the idea of Lebensraum to the German people?

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Post by ljadw » 12 Jan 2021, 20:20

George L Gregory wrote:
12 Jan 2021, 17:36
ljadw wrote:
12 Jan 2021, 11:10
Eugenics and Social Darwinism are still very strong today .
And in 1946 Julian Huxley became the first DG of Unesco .
Social Darwinism and racial discrimination are inseparable .
Eugenics was not hijacked by the Nazis : the Nazis were extreme supporters of eugenics .
Where are eugenics and social Darwinism “still very strong”? :?

It’s 2021, not 1946
In US, Australia, Britain, Continental Europe .
Forced sterilizations in Australia in 2012,in California in 2013.
People as Nathaniel C.Comfort, John Holdren,...

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Re: How did Hitler and the Nazis manage to sell the idea of Lebensraum to the German people?

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Post by George L Gregory » 12 Jan 2021, 21:17

ljadw wrote:
12 Jan 2021, 20:20
George L Gregory wrote:
12 Jan 2021, 17:36
ljadw wrote:
12 Jan 2021, 11:10
Eugenics and Social Darwinism are still very strong today .
And in 1946 Julian Huxley became the first DG of Unesco .
Social Darwinism and racial discrimination are inseparable .
Eugenics was not hijacked by the Nazis : the Nazis were extreme supporters of eugenics .
Where are eugenics and social Darwinism “still very strong”? :?

It’s 2021, not 1946
In US, Australia, Britain, Continental Europe .
Forced sterilizations in Australia in 2012,in California in 2013.
People as Nathaniel C.Comfort, John Holdren,...
LOL! Are you having a laugh? Provide some source that the two concepts are “very strong” in those countries you listed.

Well done, you can listen cite a couple of people - how many people are against the ideas? I mean, even the likes of Richard Dawkins who is a highly influential British evolutionary biologist is against those concepts.

Cherry picking a couple of people who still believe in such things doesn’t prove your claim.

Please face reality - eugenics and social Darwinism has been dead and buried since the 1950s.


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Re: How did Hitler and the Nazis manage to sell the idea of Lebensraum to the German people?

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Post by ljadw » 12 Jan 2021, 22:39

Joe Biden and Dr Ezekiel Emanuel would disagree with you .
If an adviser of Obama (Holdren ) said that he would advocate forced abortions, if he thought it was needed , if Ted Turner proposed to exterminate 95 % of the world population, if Emanuel (adviser of Biden ) said that living too long is a loss,the conclusion is that eugenics is still very strong in the US .
When every day in Belgium involuntary euthanasia is executed on old and sick people, the conclusion is that euthanasia is very strong in Belgium .
If Planned Parenthood is killing every day ,using taxpayer's money ,countless children ,the conclusion is that eugenics is very strong in the USA.
Richard Dawkins said that eugenics,while morally deplorable, would work .

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Re: How did Hitler and the Nazis manage to sell the idea of Lebensraum to the German people?

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Post by George L Gregory » 12 Jan 2021, 22:54

ljadw wrote:
12 Jan 2021, 22:39
Joe Biden and Dr Ezekiel Emanuel would disagree with you .
If an adviser of Obama (Holdren ) said that he would advocate forced abortions, if he thought it was needed , if Ted Turner proposed to exterminate 95 % of the world population, if Emanuel (adviser of Biden ) said that living too long is a loss,the conclusion is that eugenics is still very strong in the US .
When every day in Belgium involuntary euthanasia is executed on old and sick people, the conclusion is that euthanasia is very strong in Belgium .
If Planned Parenthood is killing every day ,using taxpayer's money ,countless children ,the conclusion is that eugenics is very strong in the USA.
Richard Dawkins said that eugenics,while morally deplorable, would work .
Provide sources that eugenics and social Darwinism are “very strong” in the countries you listed. By that, you mean the different peoples of those countries advocate such ideas.

Quite frankly, I think that you are posting absolute nonsense.

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Post by ljadw » 13 Jan 2021, 08:05

Ít is not on you to say what I mean .
I did not say that the different peoples of those countries advocate such ideas .That is not needed as a proof that eugenics and social Darwinism are very strong in these countries .
Besides most people in these countries do not know what social Darwinism and eugenics mean .
There are in these countries very influential lobbies who dominate the media, politics and universities and use them to promote their messages .And they promote them successfully given the number of euthanasia cases in these countries .The younger generation of doctors has been taught that they have the right to decide on live and death and ,naturally, they use this right enthusiastically .And no one dares to protest . The responsibility of the churches is crushing .

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Re: How did Hitler and the Nazis manage to sell the idea of Lebensraum to the German people?

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Post by George L Gregory » 13 Jan 2021, 19:35

ljadw wrote:
13 Jan 2021, 08:05
Ít is not on you to say what I mean .
I did not say that the different peoples of those countries advocate such ideas .That is not needed as a proof that eugenics and social Darwinism are very strong in these countries .
Besides most people in these countries do not know what social Darwinism and eugenics mean .
There are in these countries very influential lobbies who dominate the media, politics and universities and use them to promote their messages .And they promote them successfully given the number of euthanasia cases in these countries .The younger generation of doctors has been taught that they have the right to decide on live and death and ,naturally, they use this right enthusiastically .And no one dares to protest . The responsibility of the churches is crushing .
You have provided the names of two people and think that proves that eugenics and social Darwinism are “very strong” in several countries.

That’s the same as if I were to claim that fascism is “very strong” in the UK and then naming a few well known fascists.

It’s nonsense.

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Re: How did Hitler and the Nazis manage to sell the idea of Lebensraum to the German people?

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Post by ljadw » 13 Jan 2021, 19:48

Only a few people are opposing /dare to oppose those two .and those two succeed into imposing eugenic measures in their country .
Planned Parenthood is not two people and Planned Parenthood operated freely,without any judge,any politician willing/daring/being able to oppose them.
It was The Guardian (The Völkische Beobachter of Liberals in Britain ) who titled on October 6 2019 :
'' The Spirit of Eugenics is still wit us ) .That is two years ago .

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Re: How did Hitler and the Nazis manage to sell the idea of Lebensraum to the German people?

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Post by George L Gregory » 13 Jan 2021, 21:49

ljadw wrote:
13 Jan 2021, 19:48
Only a few people are opposing /dare to oppose those two .and those two succeed into imposing eugenic measures in their country .
Planned Parenthood is not two people and Planned Parenthood operated freely,without any judge,any politician willing/daring/being able to oppose them.
It was The Guardian (The Völkische Beobachter of Liberals in Britain ) who titled on October 6 2019 :
'' The Spirit of Eugenics is still wit us ) .That is two years ago .
I can’t take you seriously.

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Re: How did Hitler and the Nazis manage to sell the idea of Lebensraum to the German people?

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Post by ljadw » 13 Jan 2021, 22:13

Do you disagree with what The Guardian is saying ?
Or,do you have no answer on what The Guardian is saying ?

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Re: How did Hitler and the Nazis manage to sell the idea of Lebensraum to the German people?

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Post by George L Gregory » 13 Jan 2021, 22:57

ljadw wrote:
13 Jan 2021, 22:13
Do you disagree with what The Guardian is saying ?
Or,do you have no answer on what The Guardian is saying ?
I have an issue with your description of The Guardian newspaper and your paraphrasing of an article from that newspaper which doesn’t even prove that eugenics and social Darwinism are “very strong” in the UK.

If the best you can do to provide sources for your whacky claim is naming two people and paraphrasing one article from a newspaper then perhaps you ought to read about what actually constitutes as reliable evidence.

Eugenics hasn’t been popular for decades anywhere. Social Darwinism hasn’t been popular for decades anywhere. State racism hasn’t been popular for decades. Scientific racism hasn’t been popular for decades. Can you see where I am going? They are all ideologies that were once quite popular but lost popularity significantly after WW2.

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Post by ljadw » 14 Jan 2021, 08:32

Popularity and strong are two different things .
And The Guardian is the propaganda media of left-wing liberalism that dominates British society,as was the Völkische Beobachter for national socialism that dominated German society already before 1933 .
Besides : social Darwinism is more than racism .
Talking about racism , I presume you know who is David Attenborough , but it is clear that you are unaware of his racist prop[osals,against which The Guardian did not protest .For obvious reasons .

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Re: How did Hitler and the Nazis manage to sell the idea of Lebensraum to the German people?

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Post by George L Gregory » 14 Jan 2021, 21:01

ljadw wrote:
14 Jan 2021, 08:32
Popularity and strong are two different things .
And The Guardian is the propaganda media of left-wing liberalism that dominates British society,as was the Völkische Beobachter for national socialism that dominated German society already before 1933 .
Besides : social Darwinism is more than racism .
Talking about racism , I presume you know who is David Attenborough , but it is clear that you are unaware of his racist prop[osals,against which The Guardian did not protest .For obvious reasons .
You claim that the two ideas are “very strong” in several countries. So far you have failed to provide any evidence to support that claim.

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Re: How did Hitler and the Nazis manage to sell the idea of Lebensraum to the German people?

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Post by ljadw » 14 Jan 2021, 22:29

The fact that Attenborough could say what he said without being lynched by the media, proves that the media support eugenics .

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Post by ljadw » 14 Jan 2021, 22:53

In 2008 the Royal Mail produced a 50 P stamp to honour Marie Stopes, a fanatical eugenicist, admirer of Hitler and racist .
Source : Dominic Lawson in The Daily Mail:Eugenics is practised in Britain (February 2020 ) .
But no one will prevent you to deny that eugenics is very strong in Britain .

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Re: How did Hitler and the Nazis manage to sell the idea of Lebensraum to the German people?

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Post by George L Gregory » 16 Jan 2021, 18:33

I think it’s worth pointing out that on 26 September 1938 during a speech at the Sportpalast, Adolf Hitler promised that the Sudetenland part of Czechoslovakia was “the last territorial demand I have to make in Europe.”

Of course that was just one of the many lies Hitler told during the Third Reich.

And, of course after Hitler invaded and annexed the rest of Czechoslovakia in March 1939 it became clearly to everyone who had a brain that he intended to annex more than so-called ethnic German territories or territories that were lost because of the Treaty of Versailles.

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