Is it trolling to say that FDR and Churchill knew very well in 1943 who was responsible for Katyn,but preferred to hide this and preferred to blame the Germans ?Gorque wrote: ↑28 Dec 2021 16:49I'm in agreement with G. L. Gregory; You are trolling and with that, the Iggy list.ljadw wrote: ↑28 Dec 2021 16:45Without a Declaration of War,there was legally no war before 1939 . Something that was benefiting a lot of countries (neutrality act ) .Gorque wrote: ↑28 Dec 2021 16:05You can do better than this.
"The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic." Joe StalinThe Moscow trials were done publicly and were supported by Western politicians and media. Why ?Because it is easier to defend the execution of 100 people than the execution of 40000 people .It is a question of numbers .
That is just the opposite of what Stalin said. Go figure!
And the Poles were not POW's.Why ?
1 There was no war between Poland and the USSR So the Poles just "gave" eastern Poland to the Soviets?
2 A lot of them were civilians . Yes ~8,000 were non-combatants, which now, somehow, makes the killings a little less illegal?
Other point : as a lot of people you are confusing legal and fair .
A judgement/trial has only to be legal , but not to be fair . Ah, I see, the Soviet Union had laws on its books that sanctioned state murder. Good to know. Could you locate them for me. Afterall, you are the one making this assertion.
For Katyn : unless someone can prove that the executions were illegal,and as long as the Russian courts have not nullified the executions,the conclusion must be that they are legal . It is not on a non-Russian court to say that executions in Russia were illegal. If such a court would say this, it would be a proof of imperialism,colonialism and racism . So then why did the Soviet Union for the longest time deny that it had killed 22,000 Poles, hide the killings, tried to blame others for the killings IF THEY WERE LEGAL????
Do Russian courts nullify the decisions of non Russian courts ? NO . Thus,...
The USSR did not need laws that sanctioned state murder: as long as the USSR had no laws that did forbid state murder,there was no problem .
There were till one generation ago,no laws in most countries against air pollution, thus air pollution was not illegal .
And the SU was denying, hiding and blaming some one else,not because the killings were illegal ( they were as legal/illegal as those of the Purges ) but because it would help the Germans and the anti communists in Britain and the USA.If there was no war, it is very possible that the Soviets would have told the world about Katyn .
Katyn was as legal as T4 Aktion ( the judges of he Doctors Trials refused to condemn T4 ).No one in Britain, in the US and the USSR said that Katyn/T4 were illegal .
Why ? Because it was not their business : in those days ,governments were free to do what they liked in their countries .And also because it was politically not advisable to attack an ally in times of war .
There was nothing special about T 4 and Katyn :people were already killed in Germany for the same reason and much more people were killed in the USSR before Katyn . And no one was frowning. Not even when 300000 Chinese civilians were killed in Nanking .
Katyn was the business of Poland and the Soviets . Not of other people . T 4 was the business of the German people and the Nazi regime ( as long as it was limited to Germans only ) .Not of other people .Nanking was the business of CHina and Japan . Not of other people .
Before WW2 a lot of people in Britain wanted to use the USSR as an ally to stop Hitler ,although they knew what Stalin was doing . Churchill even said that the Soviet invasion of Poland was a good thing .Thus their attacks after the war on Katyn were only hypocrisy .
When they remained silent in 1943,what was than their moral authority when they accused the Soviets after the war ?
US media hided what happened during the Purges, thus they had no authority to talk about Katyn after the war .
Besides :Katyn was not their business .