Adolf Hitler’s speech on 30 January 1939 and Lebensraum

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Re: Adolf Hitler’s speech on 30 January 1939 and Lebensraum

Post by ljadw » 18 Feb 2022 21:53

There was nothing explosive with the expulsion of 20000 Polish Jews living in Germany ,to Poland ,given the hostility of the German population to the Ostjuden .And, it had nothing to do with Hitler's decision to attack Poland .
In 1923 the Bavarian government ordered the expulsion of Ostjuden .
Source :Die Ausweisung von Ostjuden aus Bayern in 1923 .

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Re: Adolf Hitler’s speech on 30 January 1939 and Lebensraum

Post by NickA » 18 Feb 2022 21:56

Another posting with no quotes.

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Re: Adolf Hitler’s speech on 30 January 1939 and Lebensraum

Post by George L Gregory » 19 Feb 2022 01:09

NickA wrote:
18 Feb 2022 21:11
George L Gregory wrote:
15 Feb 2022 10:08
I can almost guarantee that you will not provide a reference to the G.H. quote.
It doesn't need one - show me people who theorised about the hatred of Poles for Germans or vice-versa (after 1919 - or before if you can find any such reference when there was no Poland).
You should familiarise yourself with how this forum works with regard to quotes.
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So don’t try and reverse the burden of proof (fallacy) and provide a citation for the quote you quoted.

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Re: Adolf Hitler’s speech on 30 January 1939 and Lebensraum

Post by NickA » 03 Apr 2022 14:26

ljadw wrote:
18 Feb 2022 21:53
There was nothing explosive with the expulsion of 20000 Polish Jews living in Germany ,to Poland ,given the hostility of the German population to the Ostjuden ... In 1923 the Bavarian government ordered the expulsion of Ostjuden . Source :Die Ausweisung von Ostjuden aus Bayern in 1923 ...And, it had nothing to do with Hitler's decision to attack Poland .
I presume this is something to do with what I've posted - but I'm not prepared to have my time wasted by correspondents who fail to message properly and don't quote and expect me to search to find out what its in reference to.

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Re: Adolf Hitler’s speech on 30 January 1939 and Lebensraum

Post by wm » 03 Apr 2022 15:33

The Ostjuden were mostly kapota Jews engaging in aggressive hawking and similar trades, not just mere Polish Jews. And they were actually disliked both by Germans and Jews.

In Poland people who spent (basically illegally) more than five years abroad could have been denaturalized, and it wasn't just about Jews.
In 1938 the Nazis deported indiscriminately about 17000 Polish Jews - disregarding their denaturalization status.
In response, the Polish government put the Jews into a camp at the border (to put pressure on the Germans) and forced the Nazis to return their property and wealth (confiscated earlier) threatening mass expulsion of Polish Germans in retaliation.

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Re: Adolf Hitler’s speech on 30 January 1939 and Lebensraum

Post by ljadw » 03 Apr 2022 20:11

wm wrote:
03 Apr 2022 15:33
The Ostjuden were mostly kapota Jews engaging in aggressive hawking and similar trades, not just mere Polish Jews. And they were actually disliked both by Germans and Jews.

In Poland people who spent (basically illegally) more than five years abroad could have been denaturalized, and it wasn't just about Jews.
In 1938 the Nazis deported indiscriminately about 17000 Polish Jews - disregarding their denaturalization status.
In response, the Polish government put the Jews into a camp at the border (to put pressure on the Germans) and forced the Nazis to return their property and wealth (confiscated earlier) threatening mass expulsion of Polish Germans in retaliation.
'Polish Jews "? You mean of course Jewish Poles ?
And why would it be illegal for a Polish citizen to spend more than five years abroad ?

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Re: Adolf Hitler’s speech on 30 January 1939 and Lebensraum

Post by Takao » 04 Apr 2022 12:19

ljadw wrote:
03 Apr 2022 20:11
'Polish Jews "? You mean of course Jewish Poles ?
And why would it be illegal for a Polish citizen to spend more than five years abroad ?
Not illegal - as in they would be thrown in jail - illegal in that they could have their Polish citizenship revoked.

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Re: Adolf Hitler’s speech on 30 January 1939 and Lebensraum

Post by wm » 04 Apr 2022 21:43

ljadw wrote:
03 Apr 2022 20:11
And why would it be illegal for a Polish citizen to spend more than five years abroad ?
The passport was valid for five years, so people who stayed longer broke the law. But generally, the idea was to weed out people who weren't Poles by any stretch of the imagination, didn't speak Polish, and spent their entire life in Germany (because admittedly grass was greener there.)

I've never seen any rational explanation for what that was about. It could have been a bureaucratic idea (there was a person in the government like that) or more probably the ruling party was afraid of an influx of Jews before important elections (they were in an awkward alliance with Polish Jews.)
Generally, the directives to Polish diplomats were to forcibly and inflexibly defend the economic and property rights of Polish Jews in Nazi Germany.

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