Berghof Obersalzberg

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by avid21 » 06 Jul 2014 14:35

after a gap of more than a year (of being lazy) , i am posting two more pics of the berghof model. please comment on the details ( if inaccurate)...hope if somebody has more detail on the 1st and 2nd floor of the berghof.
will try to put in more interior details next time....
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by PavelH » 07 Jul 2014 08:48

First of all, excellent work! Is there any possibility to obtain your model and check - look at it in a free viewer?
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Timo-T » 07 Jul 2014 09:11

hi,
yes, great Pictures! Thanks!


Geoff, your book has arrived me. I will visit the OSB with your book in 2 weeks.

Many Greetings
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Annelie » 07 Jul 2014 13:06

I am sure this has been answered before but not sure where I can locate the answer.

How big was the garage in the Berghof and how many cars did it hold?
Did the cars drive in and then back out?

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Timo-T » 07 Jul 2014 13:49

Hello Annelie, I would say 4 cars. I have seen that on the blueprints. Page 109.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Annelie » 07 Jul 2014 14:16

Thanks Timo........hard to tell from just looking at the model.

I guess they drove in and backed out...but then how would they drive down the driveway...
certainly not backwards? They would have to turn around somewhere?

What else would have been in the garage?
Did they wash the cars there?

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Max » 07 Jul 2014 14:27

Greetings from the Wide Brown.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Geoff Walden » 07 Jul 2014 14:44

Timo-T wrote:hi,
Geoff, your book has arrived me. I will visit the OSB with your book in 2 weeks.
Many Greetings
Thanks, Timo - let me know how your touring with the book goes.

About the garage/driveway ... I'm speculating here, because I have never read this sort of detail anywhere. But just based on the size/configuration of the driveway and garage, the drivers must have driven up to the steps, let their passengers out, then backed back down the driveway. There was not sufficient room to turn those limos around either inside the garage or at the top of the driveway. (I really don't remember the inside of the garage being that big, in relation to the size of those Mercedes cars, as it shows in that modern blueprint.) I don't think they could even turn the VW Cabriolet around there (maybe with a 10-point turn). To pick passengers up, they must have backed up into the driveway ... I can imagine this must at times have been what the Army calls a "goat rope" (and other more descriptive terms).

Vehicle maintenance, presumably including washing the cars, was done in the garage facility of the SS Kaserne.

I doubt if the Berghof garage had much in it except for parking area and maybe some basic tools, although there was a structure along the back wall that looked like a fireplace of some sort.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by tunix0 » 07 Jul 2014 14:47

Annelie wrote:Thanks Timo........hard to tell from just looking at the model.

I guess they drove in and backed out...but then how would they drive down the driveway...
certainly not backwards? They would have to turn around somewhere?

What else would have been in the garage?
Did they wash the cars there?
Hi Annelie!

I think the cars drove up to the Berghof forwards, when visitors were driven. Then the cars had to reverse back to the road because for a turning maneuver was no room.

The cars in the garage were certainly driven backward up to the Berghof to have them "ready to leave" in the Garage.

For washing there was the "Dienstwagenhalle" at the SS-Kaserne, i think they did it there and not in front of his nose. :D

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Annelie » 07 Jul 2014 16:46

Thanks Geoff and Timo.

Don't know why I have the need to know but I \
just can't imagine Hitler sitting in a car going
backwards down the road? Perhaps he did as
he had trust in his drivers.....

I would think when the driver picked his passengers
up he would have to be facing the road/driveway
down to the main road?

I have the book "I Was Hitler's Chauffeur" but nowhere does
his driving duties come into detail.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by tunix0 » 07 Jul 2014 19:26

Annelie wrote:Thanks Geoff and Timo.

Don't know why I have the need to know but I \
just can't imagine Hitler sitting in a car going
backwards down the road? Perhaps he did as
he had trust in his drivers.....
Hi Annelie,

i would say, if cars with guests or Hitler arriving, then they drove forward up the path. Then the Guests or Hitler himself would leave the car and enter the Berghof. In this moment, i think the drivers would drove backwards and turn the car on the street. Then back again to park in an "ready to leave" position.

With the cars in the garage, it was probably similar.

Sorry for my bad english...

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Mannheim » 09 Jul 2014 01:15

A friend of mine down the pub who, like me, has a genuine interest in this period of history told me that he had read an anecdote about life on the Obersalzberg. According to the story, there were a pair of eagles circling the Berghof and Hitler commented on them. Later one of his SS aides/guards shot one of the birds – shades of The Ancient Mariner – had it stuffed and presented it to the Fuhrer who was less than impressed. I believe this to be one of those Daily Mail stories which when tracked down turn out to be pure fiction but I would like to know if anyone else has a source for this tale.
Kein Irrtum ist so groß, der nicht seinen Zuhörer hat.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Annelie » 09 Jul 2014 01:19

Thanks Christian, you are most likely correct.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Geoff Walden » 09 Jul 2014 05:10

Mannheim wrote:A friend of mine down the pub who, like me, has a genuine interest in this period of history told me that he had read an anecdote about life on the Obersalzberg. According to the story, there were a pair of eagles circling the Berghof and Hitler commented on them. Later one of his SS aides/guards shot one of the birds – shades of The Ancient Mariner – had it stuffed and presented it to the Fuhrer who was less than impressed. I believe this to be one of those Daily Mail stories which when tracked down turn out to be pure fiction but I would like to know if anyone else has a source for this tale.
The basis of this story is true, but the details somewhat different. I can't recall where I read this, but let me visit my book shelves and see if I can find the original source.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by PavelH » 09 Jul 2014 15:26

by Geoff Walden » Today, 06:10
The basis of this story is true, but the details somewhat different. I can't recall where I read this, but let me visit my book shelves and see if I can find the original source.
Hitler Was My Friend by Heinrich Hoffmann

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