

Never ever heard about a single morning walk on the OSB

The Mercedes-Benz 770 W07(K) Grosser weighed: 2700 kg, gross weight - 3500 kg; chassis: 1950 kg*NL* wrote:In reply to the turning circle at the Berghof mentioned a page earlier.
We must take in account that the slope is very steep up there, and we must take in account that those cars are not the cars
of to what we are used to nowadays.
They might have been the size of 3 Smart cars of today, or the size of 2 normal European city cars of today
The weight might have been between 1.500 and 2.000 kilogram.
No power steering in those days, well.... to turn a 2.000 kg car on such a small circle might have needed muscle power of a
full platoon of soldiers haha ha
And the turning circle of those cars might have been the size of the whole village of Berchtesgaden..
It is not as easy as you think
No one is suggesting a complete circle turn on a hard over lock BUT, what about a manoeuvre similar to the one I suggested earlier?N.C. Wyeth wrote:About turning one of those staff cars around in that driveway . . . I've been there too, within the past decade . . . seen the same photos of that driveway you have all seen as well . . . and driven quite a few vehicles manufactured during that era.
If you have ever had the pleasure of driving [any] car manufactured at that time - worm-gear steering and all [not "power=steering", remember!] . . . I think you would know - right away - that making any kind of [complete] turn at the bottom of those steps to the Berghof would have been unquestionably impossible - especially in the vehicles of such size that were often photographed there.
Your right, turning a car around in the driveway near the steps is a much more manly thing to do, unless of course, in the process of doing so you manage to send Hitler's sedan over the embankment.Max wrote:No one is suggesting a complete circle turn on a hard over lock BUT, what about a manoeuvre similar to the one I suggested earlier?N.C. Wyeth wrote:About turning one of those staff cars around in that driveway . . . I've been there too, within the past decade . . . seen the same photos of that driveway you have all seen as well . . . and driven quite a few vehicles manufactured during that era.
If you have ever had the pleasure of driving [any] car manufactured at that time - worm-gear steering and all [not "power=steering", remember!] . . . I think you would know - right away - that making any kind of [complete] turn at the bottom of those steps to the Berghof would have been unquestionably impossible - especially in the vehicles of such size that were often photographed there.
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Remember also that they were real men in those days; they didn't need any woosey power steering![]()
Cheers
Max
I believe I stumbled on the source for this, although it doesn't really deal with communications. In Gen. Walter Warlimont's book Inside Hitler's Headquarters (1964 ed., pages 507-512) is a transcript of part of a briefing conference that took place in the Führerbunker in Berlin on 23 March 1945:wartourist wrote:I am currently re-reading Ziemke; Battle for Berlin (1968), and I stumbled over something I would like verification for. On page 85, he writes: “The Russians were drawing close to the army communications centre at Zossen and could be there almost any hour [April 20]. The only comparable installation (my italics) in Germany was the one in the Berghof complex outside Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps. There, throughout the war, Hitler had vacationed every year with Eva Braun … and an elaborate communications system had been set up for his use at those times … Hitler had indicated in late March [1945] that he regarded them as the best alternative command post if Zossen were bombed out and lost.”
I have never heard of anything just remotely comparable to Zossen in terms of sophistication in communication equipment and would like to pick you brains as to whether this statement from Ziemke actually holds water?
Thanks, Dan
YesMax wrote:Me either! Burgdorf's "Air Fleet Reich" bunker system must be the Luftwaffe bunker area in what is now the Werder Wildpark in or near Potsdam (I've never been there myself and don't know what there may be to see there, other than a couple of Winkeltürme). But a big bunker system at Wannsee, I've not heard of at all. Anybody else?