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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

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Post by tunix0 » 06 Oct 2016, 11:50

Geoff Walden wrote: Does anyone know the location of this photo of a HJ tent camp, somewhere in the Berchtesgaden area (Watzmann mountain seen in the background)?
Hi Geoff,

i've compared the image to the Google Earth 3D View and i think, that it must be the area around the Strubkaserne, in the near of the Jugendherberge. In my attached photo you can see the mountains in the background, as in your image. Perhaps the tent camp stands on the near lawn next to the Jugendherberge, but i haven't found the buildings from the image on todays satellite images.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

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Post by Geoff Walden » 07 Oct 2016, 02:42

Hi Christian,

Thanks, it might be possible. I just don't recall being able to see that view anywhere on the Jugendherberge grounds. Maybe near by ...


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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

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Post by *NL* » 09 Oct 2016, 00:04

Jeoff, right you are, it is near by here indeed. But the kaserne is not the place.
I have also tried to find the exact location for you, a couple of days back.
Christian is not far off, but we need to find the location aproximatly one kilometer eastwards (towards Salzburg)
Secondly, the ground hight is not right hight for the view you have in the b&w image. The kaserne lays lower, than the
hight we are searching for. I am sure of that because of the view i get from the darker mountain in front of the Watzmann
in the middle of your image. The right hight for your image could be found upwards a hill above Berchtesgaden, the way leading
up there is called the Locksteinstrasse. If you view your image, it is taken along a straight road, with 3 houses in a straight line not far
from eachother. I have not been able to locate these 3 houses (in a straight line) on the Lockstein, so this is not the location, but ground -
hight is the right hight for sure. I can not solve this one without going back to Berchtesgaden again. Furthermore, one of the houses might
be gone now, what makes it more difficult to locate the exact spot now a days. One thing is sure, you will not get this middle view from the low in the
valley laying ground at the kazerne.

Best regards again,

Hans.

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Post by Geoff Walden » 09 Oct 2016, 00:47

Hi Hans, thanks, I hope you can find the place on another trip.
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Post by Annelie » 09 Oct 2016, 01:07

Hey guys, I am probably way off but could this be close?

https://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=htt ... M%3A&w=750

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Post by Geoff Walden » 09 Oct 2016, 14:32

Hi Annelie,

Sorry, I believe that's in the area of the Panorama Park shopping center - way too low in elevation and wrong area to get that view. But that's a very good view of the "Schlafende Hexe / Sleeping Witch" in the background - another area mountain landmark.

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Post by tunix0 » 10 Oct 2016, 12:35

Hi,

i've searched again and found following pictures, which show that the place at the Jugendherberge is probably right:

From Geoff's website with the Jugendherberge at the right:
Image

From a Google Picture Search - a "Watzmann from the Jugendherberge" photo:
Image

And another one from Google Maps photos, a "View to the Watzmann from the Jugendherberge":
https://goo.gl/maps/2MyTBuyEZnE2

But i haven't found the place from the tent camp so far.

This building looks like one of the biuldings from the image. It stands in the west from the Jugendherberge and is now a holiday house. But the houses (in this area) look very similar at all. Also there is no street shown in the tent camp image. Just an idea...
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http://www.haus-hildegard.net/

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

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Post by Ulrico » 10 Oct 2016, 20:21

Hello all

Well in my opinion you won't find those 3 buildings these days anymore. But, before 1935 there were indeed three buildings, but the were located just where the Jugendherberge was build in 1935ff. And, what you can see on the Postcard in the foreground, is a small hill leading upwards, which can be seen on the Picture with the Jugendherberge as well.

The other Buildings existing these days were all build after 1945.

Unfortunatelly i don't know how upload 2 Pictures depicting my Thesis.

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Post by Ulrico » 10 Oct 2016, 20:26

Oops, i found it ...

That the situation in ca. 1840 ...
Strub ca.1840.jpg
and that's the Situation with added the current buildings incl. the Jugendherberge (marked red)
Strub heutige Bebauung.jpg

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Post by Geoff Walden » 11 Oct 2016, 00:03

Thanks to all! I didn't recognize it because I guess the view of Watzmann from there is covered by trees now. Maybe this is the area where the Thingplatz was planned but never built ?

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Post by Geoff Walden » 04 Nov 2016, 02:06

Annelie wrote:I suppose the bird house which is shown since Hitlers time
that someone always put up is no longer there?
Always wondered who did it and why?
No wonder it was so difficult to find where we had discussed this before - it's in a different thread! I just happened to run across this again today.
Geoff

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Post by ffbikersar » 08 Nov 2016, 13:37

I highly recommend these books (two of three I already have):

http://www.kopp-verlag.de/PastFinder-Ob ... i=A0270223

http://www.plenk-verlag.com/index.php/p ... es-details (Hartmann was the engineer who actually oversaw the construction of whole complex)

http://www.plenk-verlag.com/index.php/p ... rg-details

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Post by Geoff Walden » 11 Nov 2016, 00:12

Recently I ran across a photo set of the Obersalzberg tunnels from the 1950s. I've seen other such sets, but this set has views I hadn't seen before. This one is labeled "Göring's wine cellar." This would certainly support all the May 1945 tales of the GIs liberating wine collections found in the tunnels.
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This is a particularly valuable view, showing that there was indeed a wooden staircase in the unfinished elevator shaft at one end of the Platterhof/Gästehaus tunnel. (see also here, about 16 rows down - http://thirdreichruins.com/bunkers.htm).
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The women in this photo look to be the same as those in the well-known image below. Frau Ingrid Scharfenberg had an original print of the photo below in her Archiv, and she told me that she took the photo, which shows her mother Therese Partner and her sister. I have never known *where* in the tunnel system this photo was taken, but they may be at the bottom of the wooden staircase, which would place them in the unfinished SS Stollen.
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"Hitler's Berchtesgaden," 160 page detailed and comprehensive guide to Third Reich sites in Berchtesgaden and on the Obersalzberg.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

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Post by N.C. Wyeth » 13 Nov 2016, 06:33

Geoff Walden wrote: The women in this photo look to be the same as those in the well-known image below. Frau Ingrid Scharfenberg had an original print of the photo below in her Archiv, and she told me that she took the photo, which shows her mother Therese Partner and her sister. I have never known *where* in the tunnel system this photo was taken, but they may be at the bottom of the wooden staircase, which would place them in the unfinished SS Stollen.
platterhofstollenZeitzset50s10.jpg

Geoff
Hey - I've always thought that was an AWESOME pic, Geoff! Wouldn't it have been fun to have been there, at that moment? I too, often wondered where it was taken . . . and did not realize it was the Frau's Mother in the image. Surprised to find out you aren't certain where it was taken as well . . . after all that time you spent with Frau S, thought she might have divulged on that secret . . . 8O
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Post by Geoff Walden » 13 Nov 2016, 20:14

Howdy,
During the period that I had the pleasure of hours of conversation with Frau S., it had been *many* years since she had been in any tunnels (even her own), or, in fact, much of anywhere outside the Türken (she occasionally went into town to get her hair done, and rarely to Munich to see a medical specialist). So, while she remembered the events, she didn't remember where they were. And I didn't know where it was taken because I've never been in that tunnel. :milsmile: But I'm pretty much convinced that this "new" staircase photo points really strongly to the known photo being taken at the same time, but at the bottom of the staircase. Which would be near one end of the SS Stollen.
Geoff

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